TheClimateChanger Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, Bubbler86 said: I am saying that not everyone had the extreme warmth of those two stations. Ok, well, it looks like eastern Pennsylvania did a bit better in terms of cold. The 44F at Mount Pocono was only the 33rd warmest minimum for the month of August (since 1902). In western Pennsylvania, whenever there is a cold snap these days, it's accompanied by thick stratocumulus from the Great Lakes preventing radiational cooling from occurring. But, on the same token, Mount Pocono has not been below 40F in the month of August since 1992. From 1902-1992 - a total of 92 years, but for which only data exists for only 86 years - there were 46 years in which the temperature dropped below 40F in the month of August. In other words, a temperature that used to be observed more frequently than every other year has not occurred in over three decades. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 1 minute ago, TheClimateChanger said: Ok, well, it looks like eastern Pennsylvania did a bit better in terms of cold. The 44F at Mount Pocono was only the 33rd warmest minimum for the month of August (since 1902). In western Pennsylvania, whenever there is a cold snap these days, it's accompanied by thick stratocumulus from the Great Lakes preventing radiational cooling from occurring. But, on the same token, Mount Pocono has not been below 40F in the month of August since 1992. From 1902-1992 - a total of 92 years, but for which only data exists for only 86 years - there were 46 years in which the temperature dropped below 40F in the month of August. In other words, a temperature that used to be observed more frequently than every other year has not occurred in over three decades. Definitely warmer now than in the past....just does not come off to me as one of the warmest summers in recent times for the state. Those location low's you pointed out are extreme, but the highs were not extreme at all this summer. Just think some credence should be given to us getting a bit of a break this summer vs. many of the last 5-10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itstrainingtime Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 1 hour ago, TheClimateChanger said: As I noted here, it was at or below freezing throughout western Pennsylvania outside of the heat island areas in August 1982. It was even 38F in suburban Washington, D.C. at Dulles International Airport. What was the low temperature in Cashtown in August 1982? Are you saying the ASOS temperatures are incorrect or unreliable? And, if so, why would they just start being wrong in recent years? I made a post a couple of weeks ago mentioning that there was an August years ago when Lancaster County dropped into the 30s during August...I could not remember the exact year, but you just answered it. Thank you for that. You post a lot of information and data. I hope you'll be willing to post about, and be just as in-depth with your numbers when we have cold months as well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, Itstrainingtime said: I made a post a couple of weeks ago mentioning that there was an August years ago when Lancaster County dropped into the 30s during August...I could not remember the exact year, but you just answered it. Thank you for that. You post a lot of information and data. I hope you'll be willing to post about, and be just as in-depth with your numbers when we have cold months as well. Cashtown's rig in 1982 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anduril Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Just now, Bubbler86 said: Cashtown's rig in 1982 nout enough shag carpet for 1982 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted August 31, 2023 Author Share Posted August 31, 2023 No wood paneling or popcorn ceilings. Fake! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itstrainingtime Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Active brush fire ongoing about 1.5 miles down the road from me. Going to be more of them... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 12Z GFS backed down a SLIGHT bit on its extremes and CMC moved a slight bit up but still some pretty big differences. Both models end the heat wave next weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop_Mason Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 18 minutes ago, Bubbler86 said: Cashtown's rig in 1982 Good memory. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahantango#1 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 1 hour ago, TheClimateChanger said: As I noted here, it was at or below freezing throughout western Pennsylvania outside of the heat island areas in August 1982. It was even 38F in suburban Washington, D.C. at Dulles International Airport. What was the low temperature in Cashtown in August 1982? Are you saying the ASOS temperatures are incorrect or unreliable? And, if so, why would they just start being wrong in recent years? I remember that August 1982. I remember them saying (on the radio)there was frost upstate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomixwx Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 What a weird pissing contest...Sent from my motorola edge 5G UW (2021) using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimB Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 2 hours ago, TheClimateChanger said: I don't know what this matters. The only first-order stations to reach below 50F were Bradford (47F) and Mount Pocono (44F). The minimum was exactly 50 at Johnstown-Cambria County and Altoona. These stations have been in the same location for decades. Sheltered valley locations can get quite a bit colder than mountain locations. You’ve been venturing into OT too much lately, lol. I didn’t read @Bubbler86’s post as an intent to cause disagreement or strife. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, TimB said: You’ve been venturing into OT too much lately, lol. I didn’t read @Bubbler86’s post as an intent to cause disagreement or strife. I actually do think we are warming as a whole. But was nice to score some 40's down here in Aug for once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimB Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bubbler86 said: I actually do think we are warming as a whole. But was nice to score some 40's down here in Aug for once. Doing better than I am. Low for August at PIT was 52. The 9th straight year we haven’t gotten to 50 or lower in August, easily a record if you set the threshold at 51. There’s a 12 year stretch with no 40s from 1892-1903 but there were a couple years in that stretch that dropped to 50. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, TimB said: Doing better than I am. Low for August at PIT was 52. The 9th straight year we haven’t gotten to 50 or lower in August, easily a record if you set the threshold at 51. There’s a 12 year stretch with no 40s from 1892-1903 but there were a couple years in that stretch that dropped to 50. As I was mentioning in the other replies, I think the highs this year, over here at least, have been "not so hot". Hot compared to full historical records but not hot compared to 2000's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimB Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 23 minutes ago, Bubbler86 said: As I was mentioning in the other replies, I think the highs this year, over here at least, have been "not so hot". Hot compared to full historical records but not hot compared to 2000's. August is going to clock in just slightly above normal here, with highs just a tenth or two below normal but lows a degree or so above. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 47 minutes ago, TimB said: You’ve been venturing into OT too much lately, lol. I didn’t read @Bubbler86’s post as an intent to cause disagreement or strife. Sorry, it's difficult to be optimistic. Even in a relatively cooler summer, it's still exceedingly difficult to come anywhere near cold records. I think the low at PIT in the current cool snap was 58 this morning, which is only a couple degrees below normal. As an aside, excluding today, PIT has averaged 55.3F over the first eight months of the year. The last 8 years have averaged 54.7 for Jan-Aug, and the last 14 years have averaged 54.3 for Jan-Aug. By comparison, the mean at Clarksburg, West Virginia for Jan-Aug from 1948 to 1980 was 53.9F. We are now warmer than the typical climate in Clarksburg, West Virginia for the mid to latter part of the 20th century. This year has also been warmer than about 1 in every 4 years over that same stretch at Charleston, West Virgina, and the mean at PIT for the past 8 years is warmer than roughly 1 in 6 years at Charleston, West Virginia for the period 1948-1980. In other words, the last 10-15 years at PIT are now warmer than a typical mid/late 20th century climate in northern West Virginia, and approaching the 20-25th percentile of similar elevations in southern West Virginia. Hard to be an optimist. And like I said, I'm not even looking at 1800s or early 1900s, I'm just looking at temperature records only a little more than 40-70 years ago. Probably in the lifetime of some posters here. And it might be easy to blame the heat island, but I would point out Clarksburg has averaged 57.8F so far this year (2.5F warmer than PIT) and Charleston has averaged 58.8F (3.5F warmer than PIT). So if it's that, then there must be some urban warming to blame in West Virginia as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimB Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said: Sorry, it's difficult to be optimistic. Even in a relatively cooler summer, it's still exceedingly difficult to come anywhere near cold records. I think the low at PIT in the current cool snap was 58 this morning, which is only a couple degrees below normal. As an aside, excluding today, PIT has averaged 55.3F over the first eight months of the year. The last 8 years have averaged 54.7 for Jan-Aug, and the last 14 years have averaged 54.3 for Jan-Aug. By comparison, the mean at Clarksburg, West Virginia for Jan-Aug from 1948 to 1980 was 53.9F. We are now warmer than the typical climate in Clarksburg, West Virginia for the mid to latter part of the 20th century. This year has also been warmer than about 1 in every 4 years over that same stretch at Charleston, West Virgina, and the mean at PIT for the past 8 years is warmer than roughly 1 in 6 years at Charleston, West Virginia for the period 1948-1980. In other words, the last 10-15 years at PIT are now warmer than a typical mid/late 20th century climate in northern West Virginia, and approaching the 20-25th percentile of similar elevations in southern West Virginia. Hard to be an optimist. And like I said, I'm not even looking at 1800s or early 1900s, I'm just looking at temperature records only a little more than 40-70 years ago. Probably in the lifetime of some posters here. And it might be easy to blame the heat island, but I would point out Clarksburg has averaged 57.8F so far this year (2.5F warmer than PIT) and Charleston has averaged 58.8F (3.5F warmer than PIT). So if it's that, then there must be some urban warming to blame in West Virginia as well. I mean yeah, it’s a disaster. Even with the new warmer normals we’re still above them some 8 or 9 months every year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 43 minutes ago, TimB said: August is going to clock in just slightly above normal here, with highs just a tenth or two below normal but lows a degree or so above. Those "high lows" will cause MDT to be slightly above normal for Aug as well like MJS mentioned a few days ago. Overall Met summer is well BN at MDT due to June's large departure. Looks like MDT will end up the 4th coolest summer since 2010 mean wise and 5th coolest high temp mean wise with 2017 being the last cooler date in both circumstances. Not great at all full history wise but still a break from the previous 5 year frying pan. Low temp wise, 2023 is currently tied for second coolest since 2010 (again 2017 the last one). MDT's lows have been "high" for quite a long time. Have to go back to the 1990's to see a time when MDT was cooler at night more than a random year. Some lowers numbers form the 1990's are 62.4 and 63.7. I say HIA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mount Joy Snowman Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 I'll put a bow on this by saying I think it's been a beautiful summer. Sure, it's been a bit dry at times in certain locales and yes there were a couple of days with some wildfire smokiness. But hey, it's summer and no season is ever perfect. Overall, it was a nice mix of weather and no real extreme heat. I'm pleased and would sign up for ten more like it. Now, everybody go have a cold one. Cheers! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mount Joy Snowman said: I'll put a bow on this by saying I think it's been a beautiful summer. Sure, it's been a bit dry at times in certain locales and yes there were a couple of days with some wildfire smokiness. But hey, it's summer and no season is ever perfect. Overall, it was a nice mix of weather and no real extreme heat. I'm pleased and would sign up for ten more like it. Now, everybody go have a cold one. Cheers! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 42 minutes ago, Mount Joy Snowman said: I'll put a bow on this by saying I think it's been a beautiful summer. Sure, it's been a bit dry at times in certain locales and yes there were a couple of days with some wildfire smokiness. But hey, it's summer and no season is ever perfect. Overall, it was a nice mix of weather and no real extreme heat. I'm pleased and would sign up for ten more like it. Now, everybody go have a cold one. Cheers! Outside the Chevy Chase jokes, I think for some of the dry locales, it has been accentuated by the way the totals have tallied up. Long stretches of nothing but T's and then a 1-2" hammer making the numbers look better than they really are as it pertains to vegetation. 1/4"-1/2" of an inch every 3-4 days is much better than 3" totaled over 2 days then close to nothing the rest of the month. Totals look similar but on the ground results are much different. Here is states evidence exhibit A to back your beautiful summer claim: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itstrainingtime Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Bubbler86 said: Outside the Chevy Chase jokes, I think for some of the dry locales, it has been accentuated by the way the totals have tallied up. Long stretches of nothing but T's and then a 1-2" hammer making the numbers look better than they really are as it pertains to vegetation. 1/4"-1/2" of an inch every 3-4 days is much better than 3" totaled over 2 days then close to nothing the rest of the month. Totals look similar but on the ground results are much different. Here is states evidence exhibit A to back your beautiful summer claim: Lancaster finishing August with a total of 1.17" of rain, or 25% of normal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDreamTraveler Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 95 for 5 days in a row in the beginning of September is pretty impressive. Would tie the records for a lot of areas for September 4th, 5th, 6th and the 7th. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voyager Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 So we get our first monsoon storm of the summer and it peels the roof right off our back patio... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahantango#1 Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 A too cold 45.7 this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahantango#1 Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 5 hours ago, Voyager said: So we get our first monsoon storm of the summer and it peels the roof right off our back patio... Must have been a bad storm. Hopefully the insurance will cover it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstorm Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 50.0F for the low.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted September 1, 2023 Author Share Posted September 1, 2023 52 was my low. What a cocktease today will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawatch Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 49 degrees this morning. We broke into the 40’s this morning at least. Fitting for first day of meteorological fall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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