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I mean unless you're more in shape than this guy is...? This guy is a workout warrior and got slammed by covid. I'll take the vaccine over getting sick like this. 


https://www.is.fi/nhl/art-2000007814144.html

Ristolainen has been suffering from a bad case of COVID-19

- Says he has gone through every possible symptom. He has asked around the league and no one else has had it this bad.

- His oxygen levels had dropped significantly and doing anything at all made him extremely tired

-After a couple of days his symptoms got better only to come back in a different form, chest pains for an example.

-When he had his chest pains, he felt like his heart is going to rip in two when walking up the stairs. Says couple of nights he felt like he wasn't sure if he's going to wake up.

-"I got healthy papers from the doctors but physically I am in such a bad shape that i have a long road ahead of me until I'm fit to play." (Despite this he also says that he can maybe see himself coming back some time next week, but not certain)

He sarcastically remarks that of course if he's going to get it, he'd get it when he's playing the best hockey of his career.

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2 minutes ago, schoeppeya said:

Almost all athletes have a much high risk of being hospitalized from a sports related injury than they do from covid. Should we stop the sports?

One thing to remember is that this virus is an evolving situation with new variants popping up. With so much virus still out there it would be wise to get vaccinated as soon as possible 

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Just now, BuffaloWeather said:

I mean unless you're more in shape than this guy is...? This guy is a workout warrior and got slammed by covid. I'll take the vaccine over getting sick like this. 


https://www.is.fi/nhl/art-2000007814144.html

Ristolainen has been suffering from a bad case of COVID-19

- Says he has gone through every possible symptom. He has asked around the league and no one else has had it this bad.

- His oxygen levels had dropped significantly and doing anything at all made him extremely tired

-After a couple of days his symptoms got better only to come back in a different form, chest pains for an example.

-When he had his chest pains, he felt like his heart is going to rip in two when walking up the stairs. Says couple of nights he felt like he wasn't sure if he's going to wake up.

-"I got healthy papers from the doctors but physically I am in such a bad shape that i have a long road ahead of me until I'm fit to play." (Despite this he also says that he can maybe see himself coming back some time next week, but not certain)

He sarcastically remarks that of course if he's going to get it, he'd get it when he's playing the best hockey of his career.

Still a bad hockey player...

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Just now, OSUmetstud said:

Still a bad hockey player...

He was playing the best hockey of his career before covid. I still blame the Sabres being so bad on so many players getting covid and all the injuries. We really need to sign Ullmark, hes fantastic. 

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Just now, StormfanaticInd said:

One thing to remember is that this virus is an evolving situation with new variants popping up. With so much virus still out there it would be wise to get vaccinated as soon as possible 

I’m not even arguing that, I agree. I just don’t understand why you guys feel like it’s necessary to attack people who don’t feel like they have to get vaccinated immediately. 

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Just now, BuffaloWeather said:

He was playing the best hockey of his career before covid. I still blame the Sabres being so bad on so many players getting covid and all the injuries. We really need to sign Ullmark, hes fantastic. 

I think it was more McCabe that was helping him but agreed.

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4 minutes ago, schoeppeya said:

I’m not even arguing that, I agree. I just don’t understand why you guys feel like it’s necessary to attack people who don’t feel like they have to get vaccinated immediately. 

That's what they do best

 

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13 hours ago, TimB84 said:

Of course it’ll be politicized, everything is. But yes, there needs to be societal pressure. I don’t have a lot of issue with businesses, particularly in the travel and hospitality industry, imposing restrictions on people who choose not to get the vaccine. I do have some qualms about the idea of vaccinated/non-vaccinated sections of restaurants like we did with smokers back in the day, simply because it would probably allow the virus to spread faster among non-vaccinated people if we herd them all into one section like that. (See, I’m not a monster.)

Not picking on you, but wtf is this really a thought by someone?   Are we going to go full segregation and get our own water fountains and bus seating too?

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5 minutes ago, schoeppeya said:

I’m not even arguing that, I agree. I just don’t understand why you guys feel like it’s necessary to attack people who don’t feel like they have to get vaccinated immediately. 

Yep, I just assume it's the keyboard warrios with nothing better to do and needing some purpose in life. 

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1 hour ago, StormfanaticInd said:

Yall keep saying "high risk" :rolleyes: I know of several healthy individuals who got covid and became severely ill or died. Everyone is at risk period 

Think of it as a “high risk” like a “high risk” day from the NWS Storm Prediction Center issued within the past 5 years or so. 

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10 minutes ago, dta1984 said:

Yep, I just assume it's the keyboard warrios with nothing better to do and needing some purpose in life. 

They can't accept people's  opinions

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6 minutes ago, dta1984 said:

Not picking on you, but wtf is this really a thought by someone?   Are we going to go full segregation and get our own water fountains and bus seating too?

I read an editorial recently that mentioned it. While I don’t think it’s a good idea, comparing it to segregation is a false equivalency, unless you compare the smoking sections in restaurants in the 1990s to segregation as well. To me, smoking, like not getting vaccinated, is usually a conscious decision, but being black isn’t.

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9 minutes ago, dta1984 said:

Not picking on you, but wtf is this really a thought by someone?   Are we going to go full segregation and get our own water fountains and bus seating too?

Oh look. Another racist false equivalency. 

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3 minutes ago, purduewx80 said:

Oh look. Another racist false equivalency. 

Perhaps a bit extreme.  Still, it's a ridiculous thought. 

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14 minutes ago, dta1984 said:

Yep, I just assume it's the keyboard warrios with nothing better to do and needing some purpose in life. 

I’ll try to spend my afternoon working and not sitting on Twitter making a montage of all of the people with views on your side of the political aisle being keyboard warriors themselves, but it’s going to be tough. Keyboard warriors are prevalent on both sides of the aisle, and in no greater numbers on one side than the other.

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1 minute ago, TimB84 said:

I’ll try to spend my afternoon working and not sitting on Twitter making a montage of all of the people with views on your side of the political aisle being keyboard warriors themselves, but it’s going to be tough. Keyboard warriors are prevalent on both sides of the aisle, and in no greater numbers on one side than the other.

O yes, they exist on both sides.  

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25 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said:

I mean unless you're more in shape than this guy is...? This guy is a workout warrior and got slammed by covid. I'll take the vaccine over getting sick like this. 


https://www.is.fi/nhl/art-2000007814144.html

Ristolainen has been suffering from a bad case of COVID-19

- Says he has gone through every possible symptom. He has asked around the league and no one else has had it this bad.

- His oxygen levels had dropped significantly and doing anything at all made him extremely tired

-After a couple of days his symptoms got better only to come back in a different form, chest pains for an example.

-When he had his chest pains, he felt like his heart is going to rip in two when walking up the stairs. Says couple of nights he felt like he wasn't sure if he's going to wake up.

-"I got healthy papers from the doctors but physically I am in such a bad shape that i have a long road ahead of me until I'm fit to play." (Despite this he also says that he can maybe see himself coming back some time next week, but not certain)

He sarcastically remarks that of course if he's going to get it, he'd get it when he's playing the best hockey of his career.

That's a very rare case. There are tons of in great shape athletes all across sports that have gotten Covid and had mild or no symptoms. Who knows why he reacted to it so badly, but it's extremely rare for that to happen to an athlete.

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1 minute ago, winterwx21 said:

That's a very rare case. There are tons of in great shape athletes all across sports that have gotten Covid and had mild or no symptoms. Who knows why he reacted to it so badly, but it's extremely rare for that to happen to an athlete.

What percentage of our population consists of professional athletes? 0.01%, if that? You can’t compare the general population to a professional athlete who survived covid with no lasting effects.

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15 hours ago, Hoosier said:

I strongly believe we should try to get as many people vaccinated as possible.  But as far as those who are not jumping to get a covid vaccine, I'm not going to lump them all in one basket and look at them as the enemy.  For me, it depends on their reasoning.  If it's the generic "vaccines bad", I'm not sympathetic to that.  However, if somebody recently had covid and wants to hold off a bit and maybe allow someone more in need to get ahead in line, I'm cool.  Or if somebody wants to wait until it gets out of EUA territory, ok.  Personally, it makes no difference to me whether it is EUA or full approval, but I respect those who view it differently.  Or maybe someone just doesn't want to put up with the possibility of side effects.  If you're young and healthy, particularly in your teens/20s, there's a real possibility that you will feel worse from the vaccine side effects than you would from covid.  But that could also be a miscalculation and you'd end up feeling worse with covid.  Point is, I don't look at it as black and white.

We are still losing almost 1000 people per day.  I think most reasonable folks would agree that is unacceptably high.  But there comes a point where we're going to just have to live with this in some form, because 0 cases/0 deaths ain't walking through the door anytime soon.  I don't mean to sound cold, but it is what it is.  I lost a family member to covid so I'm aware of how much it sucks.  

Well said.

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53 minutes ago, dta1984 said:

Fwiw this story mentions it would be hard to determine a vaccine related cause of death.  Still, there are many of these stories, coincidental or not.

"Dr. Erik Christensen, Utah's chief Medical Examiner, said proving vaccine injury as a cause of death almost never happens."

https://kutv.com/news/local/utah-woman-39-dies-4-days-after-2nd-does-of-covid-19-vaccine-autopsy-ordered

 

This particular one is more curious than most.  The odds of a 39 year old person dying are not particularly high to begin with, but when you look at the timeline of when that woman experienced symptoms and then died, it is natural to wonder if the vaccine triggered something. 

As was said, use VAERS with extreme caution.  Very easy to twist data from there.

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3 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

I’ll try to spend my afternoon working and not sitting on Twitter making a montage of all of the people with views on your side of the political aisle being keyboard warriors themselves, but it’s going to be tough. Keyboard warriors are prevalent on both sides of the aisle, and in no greater numbers on one side than the other.

They need a bigger like button for this one. This is literally the reason I’m arguing with Stebo and Co. FYI, my introduction to him in this thread was while primarily red states were spiking during the summer and he was going on and on about how it’s because they were red states where no one was wearing masks. At the time I lived in OKC and hadn’t seen anyone in public without a mask on in months. It was comical. Theres a better way to talk to the other side of the aisle then personally attacking them. People have to start AT LEAST challenging the squeaky wheels and emotionally driven arguments or they keep getting louder. Theres a better way to talk about all of this stuff. 

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2 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

What percentage of our population consists of professional athletes? 0.01%, if that? You can’t compare the general population to a professional athlete who survived covid with no lasting effects.

He’s responding to a guy that tried to use professional athletes as a reference, not using that example himself. 

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2 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

What percentage of our population consists of professional athletes? 0.01%, if that? You can’t compare the general population to a professional athlete who survived covid with no lasting effects.

I agree. I've said over and over again here that athletes are at much lower risk than the general population because they get their hearts and lungs so strong due to the exercise. That's why I feel good about my situation, as I have gotten myself into athlete level shape with all the running that I do. And it's why I encourage everyone to get into great shape with exercise. It is proven to greatly reduce Covid risk.

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Just now, winterwx21 said:

I agree. I've said over and over again here that athletes are at much lower risk than the general population because they get their hearts and lungs so strong due to the exercise. That's why I feel good about my situation, as I have gotten myself into athlete level shape with all the running that I do. And it's why I encourage everyone to get into great shape with exercise. It is proven to greatly reduce Covid risk.

I’m too far gone to get into athlete level shape at this point in my life :lol:... I’ll take the vaccine instead.

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4 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

This particular one is more curious than most.  The odds of a 39 year old person dying are not particularly high to begin with, but when you look at the timeline of when that woman experienced symptoms and then died, it is natural to wonder if the vaccine triggered something. 

As was said, use VAERS with extreme caution.  Very easy to twist data from there.

Yeah. A healthy 39 year old gets extremely sick right after the vaccine, and continues to go downhill and dies. You can't tell me that wasn't the vaccine that killed her. I know vaccine deaths are extremely rare, but it does happen.

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Just now, TimB84 said:

I’m too far gone to get into athlete level shape at this point in my life :lol:... I’ll take the vaccine instead.

And that's certainly fine. These vaccines offer great protection. For people that are not vaccinated, being in great shape is very important to reduce risk.

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Just now, winterwx21 said:

Yeah. A healthy 39 year old gets extremely sick right after the vaccine, and continues to go downhill and dies. You can't tell me that wasn't the vaccine that killed her. I know vaccine deaths are extremely rare, but it does happen.

I’m sure we can find plenty of examples long before COVID of healthy 39 year olds who got some sort of mystery illness, went downhill, and died. No, I can’t tell you it wasn’t the vaccine that killed her. But I certainly can’t tell you it definitively was the vaccine either. And I don’t think it’s any more likely to have been the vaccine than some other reason.

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Just now, winterwx21 said:

And that's certainly fine. These vaccines offer great protection. For people that are not vaccinated, being in great shape is very important to reduce risk.

This is America. What percentage of people who choose not to get the vaccine do you think are in great shape? Lol.

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