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54 minutes ago, StormfanaticInd said:

Yeah, this is going to get ugly. The hospitals are going to be hit by tsunami of covid patients in a couple of weeks. 

one saving grace is the virus has lost its potency from spring.

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45 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said:

one saving grace is the virus has lost its potency from spring.

Not sue how much of this is true. Deaths are definitely reduced compared to hospitalizations relative to the spring, but some of that is certainly due improvements in treatment and groups much more vulnerable, like the elderly being better protected/more cautious. Also, masking may be reducing viral loads in those infected, and there could potentially get seasonal factors at play also (although this last one is much more speculative).

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33 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said:

one saving grace is the virus has lost its potency from spring.

We're testing about 4x as much, I am sure actual caseload was much higher in the spring than numbers suggested.

Also, outbreaks in hospitals and care homes burned through our weaker/most vulnerable population early. Kind of like how dry, dying branches are the first to burn in a forest fire, resulting in a forest being less vulnerable/susceptible to future fires (or in this case, virus waves). It's unlikely virus potency is any worse or less than before, especially given that coronaviruses in general are fairly stable (in that they typically don't mutate to become any more or less severe over time).

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I hope their liquor license is pulled and/or the health department shuts them down.

hasn’t happened yet during this, and unlikely to any time soon.

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hasn’t happened yet during this, and unlikely to any time soon.

Nor should it. These are the people of this country driving this. I’m tired of the government and all these people complaining about the government. Honestly I’m just glad bartenders and waiters are able to make decent money again.

Let’s just be honest, the vast majority of people are over caring about this. Quite frankly I give my company kudos for keeping their work from home rules. It does show discipline
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35 minutes ago, nwohweather said:


Nor should it. These are the people of this country driving this. I’m tired of the government and all these people complaining about the government. Honestly I’m just glad bartenders and waiters are able to make decent money again.

Let’s just be honest, the vast majority of people are over caring about this. Quite frankly I give my company kudos for keeping their work from home rules. It does show discipline

You saying this doesn't make it true. We would be seeing far more rapid spread (close to Ro) if the majority of people weren't following public health guidance. 

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4 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said:

You saying this doesn't make it true. We would be seeing far more rapid spread (close to Ro) if the majority of people weren't following public health guidance. 

Not only that but nationally the numbers don't show that and especially in states other than the south numbers don't show that.

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Just now, Stebo said:

Not only that but nationally the numbers don't show that and especially in states other than the south numbers don't show that.

The data just doesn't support people are living their lives completely normally. Mobility data is well below baseline and mask use has come up generally. It's why there isn't 500k cases and 1000 and 1000s of covid deaths a day. 

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america?view=social-distancing&tab=trend

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Not only that but nationally the numbers don't show that and especially in states other than the south numbers don't show that.

What are you talking about? The last few pages have been nothing but talk of how the numbers are spiking in the Northern states
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Just now, nwohweather said:


What are you talking about? The last few pages have been nothing but talk of how the numbers are spiking in the Northern states

I'm talking about this fatigue you were talking about, that people are over caring about this. That just simply is not true.

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1 minute ago, nwohweather said:


What are you talking about? The last few pages have been nothing but talk of how the numbers are spiking in the Northern states

Some fatigue doesn't mean the majority of people stopped caring. 

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I'm talking about this fatigue you were talking about, that people are over caring about this. That just simply is not true.

https://rt.live

As you can see the Southern states are quite low currently on R0 compared to Western and Midwestern states. But please keep putting your political opinions above scientific data. Is this a Donald Trump account?
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5 minutes ago, nwohweather said:


https://rt.live

As you can see the Southern states are quite low currently on R0 compared to Western and Midwestern states. But please keep putting your political opinions above scientific data. Is this a Donald Trump account?

This doesn't support your assertion that the "majority of people are over caring about this" if the Rt is well under the Ro if the virus. 

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This doesn't support your assertion that the "majority of people are over caring about this" if the Rt is well under the Ro if the virus. 

Well we’re taking it more seriously in the South. It’s states like Michigan and Ohio where the real spikes are happening.

Honestly glad you guys aren’t vacationing here en masse anymore to spread this throughout the Lowcountry
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1 minute ago, nwohweather said:


Well we’re taking it more seriously in the South. It’s states like Michigan and Ohio where the real spikes are happening.

Honestly glad you guys aren’t vacationing here en masse anymore to spread this throughout the Lowcountry

It seems like you're the one who wanted to makes it political. Cool. 

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33 minutes ago, Stebo said:

I'm talking about this fatigue you were talking about, that people are over caring about this. That just simply is not true.

Covid fatigue is real get out of your bubble

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1 minute ago, dta1984 said:

Covid fatigue is real get out of your bubble

It is real. But the majority of people still care about this and are following public health guidance. Follow the conversation. 

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Indiana's hospitalizations are up by 137 over yesterday.  The nationwide count has been rising by about 500-1000 per day, so that is saying something.

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2 hours ago, dan11295 said:

Not sue how much of this is true. Deaths are definitely reduced compared to hospitalizations relative to the spring, but some of that is certainly due improvements in treatment and groups much more vulnerable, like the elderly being better protected/more cautious. Also, masking may be reducing viral loads in those infected, and there could potentially get seasonal factors at play also (although this last one is much more speculative).

I'm not a dr and I don't have any proof of the potency thing, but its what my dr told me.

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1 hour ago, OSUmetstud said:

The data just doesn't support people are living their lives completely normally. Mobility data is well below baseline and mask use has come up generally. It's why there isn't 500k cases and 1000 and 1000s of covid deaths a day. 

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america?view=social-distancing&tab=trend

The progged drastic drop in mobility in the next couple months is interesting.  I wonder what is driving that projection?  Is it that people will be taking it more seriously and choose to not move around as much or that stuff is going to close. 

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It seems like you're the one who wanted to makes it political. Cool. 

How is any of that political? The tourism spike was a real thing this summer. Should’ve seen the amount of Yankees hats and Ohio State/Michigan ones on without a mask. Once the summer ended our numbers went down quite a bit with the exception of college campuses.

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1 hour ago, OSUmetstud said:

It is real. But the majority of people still care about this and are following public health guidance. Follow the conversation. 

Yeah this idea that fatigue and caring are inversely related is nonsense. Obviously people are tired but still caring about everyone.

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Just now, nwohweather said:


How is any of that political? The tourism spike was a real thing this summer. Should’ve seen the amount of Yankees hats and Ohio State/Michigan ones on without a mask. Once the summer ended our numbers went down quite a bit with the exception of college campuses.

This may shock you but those are 3 of the most popular sport brands in the country. That doesn't mean those people are from NY OH MI. I am shocked I have to explain this though...

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2 hours ago, nwohweather said:


Nor should it. These are the people of this country driving this. I’m tired of the government and all these people complaining about the government. Honestly I’m just glad bartenders and waiters are able to make decent money again.

Let’s just be honest, the vast majority of people are over caring about this. Quite frankly I give my company kudos for keeping their work from home rules. It does show discipline

 

1 hour ago, nwohweather said:


https://rt.live

As you can see the Southern states are quite low currently on R0 compared to Western and Midwestern states. But please keep putting your political opinions above scientific data. Is this a Donald Trump account?

 

1 hour ago, nwohweather said:


Well we’re taking it more seriously in the South. It’s states like Michigan and Ohio where the real spikes are happening.

Honestly glad you guys aren’t vacationing here en masse anymore to spread this throughout the Lowcountry

 

9 minutes ago, nwohweather said:


How is any of that political? The tourism spike was a real thing this summer. Should’ve seen the amount of Yankees hats and Ohio State/Michigan ones on without a mask. Once the summer ended our numbers went down quite a bit with the exception of college campuses.

What is it? Are we over it? Or are we taking it seriously? 

Blaming the southern spread in June/July/August on tourism is silly. 

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I feel that mortality rates are highly dependent on many variables, one being viral load.   Viral load due to the Summer environment(High UV and RH) made for lots of mild symptom/asymptomatic cases.  That is gonna change with this wave, in my opinion.  

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19 minutes ago, Frog Town said:

I feel that mortality rates are highly dependent on many variables, one being viral load.   Viral load due to the Summer environment(High UV and RH) made for lots of mild symptom/asymptomatic cases.  That is gonna change with this wave, in my opinion.  

Another thing is immune health.  It is not necessarily a static thing.  It is something I have been wondering about.  Say that the same individual person received the same viral load in the summer or winter (just to be clear, I am talking about a hypothetical situation that ignores immune memory to a previous covid-19 infection).  Would they be more likely to have a more severe outcome in the winter, maybe because their vitamin D level or something else in the body is not as good as it was in summer?

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