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2 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

I didn't even have an accurate thermometer until I got my first digital one from Radio Shack back in 1995.  It was far more accurate than any of the liquid ones.  All those "scientific" ones with the red liquid (alcohol!) were not accurate.  I used to think they used mercury but they didn't.  And they were extremely slow in responding to radiational cooling or any rapid temp drop.  And those aneroid barometers dont work either- what a rip off!  I didn't have any accurate weather equipment until I went all digital, which wasn't until 2005.

 

 

 

My first weather equipment  and first written observations started at around 10 years of age, maybe earlier. I'm now close to 60.

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2 minutes ago, doncat said:

My first weather equipment  and first written observations started at around 10 years of age, maybe earlier. I'm now close to 60.

where did you get accurate analog stuff? none of mine seemed to work right until I went all digital.

 

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2 hours ago, Torch said:

Speaking of “78”, for you Long Islanders, Joe Cioffi the well respected Met of Cablevision, also Ch.11 N.Y.,

was working for weather radio , and it was his voice that you heard at the updated afternoon broadcast giving us a forecast of at the time 14 or more inches. Not sure if the weather bureau up to that date ever predicted amounts that high before the actual event.

I remember the media forecasts (880, 1010) saying "a foot or more" as early as Saturday 2/4/78.  I had about 1 snow day before that winter (2/2/76) and we had full school days during all day snowstorms in 2/74 and 2/75 (both were around 9").  It wasn't a district that liked to close and people weren't as touchy feely about driving in snow as they are now (rear wheel drive and all).  But they closed school Monday 2/6 in anticipation of the storm.  Big time forecast that was actually taken seriously.  Then the storm exceeded the high expectations.   This after a colossal forecast bust 2 1/2 weeks before when expected overnight rain was actually a 17" blizzard.  Good times that winter.  72" season total in NE Nassau County.  A friend lived in a split level across the street from the old Sod farms near the high school (now Stillwell Woods) and the drift there was up to the roofline on the tall side of the house.

We didn't go back to school until 2/13 (then had regular classes as another 5" fell on Valentines Day).  The NSP was closed for days and I saw these giant snow throwers that they brought down from somewhere upstate clearing drifts on the parkway. 

Here is a photo from one of the industrial parks in Syosset in February 1978:

AlBauer1978Syosset2AerialWay-2e2.jpg

 

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16 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

where did you get accurate analog stuff? none of mine seemed to work right until I went all digital.

 

Wow the early stuff...Had the aneroid barometer...not too good as you mentioned, remember always tapping it? Had a mercury min/max thermo..it had these little markers inside the glass that would stay at the highest and lowest readings..push a button to reset. It had a 6 ft cable which you put out the window. I've had a lot of equipment...Much of it I still have sitting in the basement...looks like a weather museum. First digital  unit was a heathkit  thermometer...remember those?

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4 minutes ago, doncat said:

Wow the early stuff...Had the aneroid barometer...not too good as you mentioned, remember always tapping it? Had a mercury min/max thermo..it had these little markers inside the glass that would stay at the highest and lowest readings..push a button to reset. It had a 6 ft cable which you put out the window. I've had a lot of equipment...Much of it I still have sitting in the basement...looks like a weather museum. First digital  unit was a heathkit  thermometer...remember those?

I think so!  I remember seeing it in a scientific equipment catalog years ago.

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8 minutes ago, NorthShoreWx said:

I remember the media forecasts (880, 1010) saying "a foot or more" as early as Saturday 2/4/78.  I had about 1 snow day before that winter (2/2/76) and we had full school days during all day snowstorms in 2/74 and 2/75 (both were around 9").  It wasn't a district that liked to close and people weren't as touchy feely about driving in snow as they are now (rear wheel drive and all).  But they closed school Monday 2/6 in anticipation of the storm.  Big time forecast that was actually taken seriously.  Then the storm exceeded the high expectations.   This after a colossal forecast bust 2 1/2 weeks before when expected overnight rain was actually a 17" blizzard.  Good times that winter.  72" season total in NE Nassau County.  A friend lived in a split level across the street from the old Sod farms near the high school (now Stillwell Woods) and the drift there was up to the roofline on the tall side of the house.

We didn't go back to school until 2/13 (then had regular classes as another 5" fell on Valentines Day).  The NSP was closed for days and I saw these giant snow throwers that they brought down from somewhere upstate clearing drifts on the parkway. 

Here is a photo from one of the industrial parks in Syosset in February 1978:

AlBauer1978Syosset2AerialWay-2e2.jpg

 

Wow, some things dont change, remember when the LIE was closed for miles after the February blizzard in 2013?

Would you say the impact of Feb 1978 was similar to that?

 

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19 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Wow, some things dont change, remember when the LIE was closed for miles after the February blizzard in 2013?

Would you say the impact of Feb 1978 was similar to that?

 

In spots yes.  2/78 was more widespread and a lot windier.  I was near the epicenter in 2/13 and we had nearly 4" LE in the snow and sleet that fell (some high profile roof collapses in my town from that).  78 had less water, but gigantic drifts.  Roof problems in 78 were more isolated because most of the snow blew off of roofs.

Closest thing I have seen to the 78 wind was December 2010 but 78 had higher winds and the winds and snow lasted a lot longer too.  Actually, 2010 was somewhat of a dud here (barely made 12" imby), but the winds made it worthwhile.

 

Edit: Anticipating that someone will ask, we had a couple of hours of rain or rain/mix midday on 2/8/13, but it only totaled about a tenth of an inch of liquid.  The precip started as snow in the morning, flipped to some light rain and drizzle for a short time, then the snow went bonkers after about 3pm.  We did have a period of mix with sleet in the evening, but mostly heavy wet snow transitioning to a drier powdery snow after about 10 pm or so.  I'll have to check, but I think I had 3.87"LE for the storm and almost all of it was frozen.  I've never seen that much from one storm, even in '78.  I suspect that something similar may have happened in February 1961, but not certain.

 

'78 was windblown powder from curtain to curtain.  We stayed on the cold side of the coastal front that got parts of the island up near freezing.  When that was happening, we were positively ripping overnight with temps in the low - mid 20s.

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34 minutes ago, NorthShoreWx said:

In spots yes.  2/78 was more widespread and a lot windier.  I was near the epicenter in 2/13 and we had nearly 4" LE in the snow and sleet that fell (some high profile roof collapses in my town from that).  78 had less water, but gigantic drifts.  Roof problems in 78 were more isolated because most of the snow blew off of roofs.

Closest thing I have seen to the 78 wind was December 2010 but 78 had higher winds and the winds and snow lasted a lot longer too.  Actually, 2010 was somewhat of a dud here (barely made 12" imby), but the winds made it worthwhile.

 

Edit: Anticipating that someone will ask, we had a couple of hours of rain or rain/mix midday on 2/8/13, but it only totaled about a tenth of an inch of liquid.  The precip started as snow in the morning, flipped to some light rain and drizzle for a short time, then the snow went bonkers after about 3pm.  We did have a period of mix with sleet in the evening, but mostly heavy wet snow transitioning to a drier powdery snow after about 10 pm or so.  I'll have to check, but I think I had 3.87"LE for the storm and almost all of it was frozen.  I've never seen that much from one storm, even in '78.  I suspect that something similar may have happened in February 1961, but not certain.

 

'78 was windblown powder from curtain to curtain.  We stayed on the cold side of the coastal front that got parts of the island up near freezing.  When that was happening, we were positively ripping overnight with temps in the low - mid 20s.

Yes!  I like to put the 3" LE all frozen storms in a category of their own.  The only one I had like that which was all snow was Jan 2016.  Looks like you had even more with Feb 2013.  The highest snowfall totals I read about were around 40"!

Feb 1961 and perhaps the snowicane in Feb 2010 belong in that list too.  Two ancient storms that probably also belong on that list are the blizzard of Mar 1888 and Feb 1920.

 

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all the winter storms with at least 2.00" of LE for NYC...

4.43"...17.5"...02/04-07/1920...mid 20's to low 30's...snow/ice/sleet for over 72 hours...

3.17"...20.9"...02/25-26/2010...mid 30's to upper 20's...wet snow some mix...

3.11"...14.5"...03/01-02/1914...upper 30's to upper teens...started as rain/sleet/ice...

2.68"...12.5"...02/20/1921........mid 30's to low 20's...started as rain/sleet/ice...

2.62"...17.4"...02/03-04/1961...upper 20's to low 30's...changed to sleet/rain for a time...

2.52"...10.6"...03/13-14/1993...low 30's to upper 30's...changed to sleet and rain...

2.40"...26.4"...12/26-27/1947...mid 20's to low 30's...all snow

2.32"...27.5"...01/22-23/2016...mid 20's...all snow

2.22"...10.4"...02/03-04/1926...mid 20's to 30...mixed with sleet and ice...

2.16"...20.2"...01/07-08/1996...low teens to low 20's...all snow...

2.10"...21.0"...03/12-14/1888...upper 30's to single digits...started as rain/sleet...

2.08"...18.1"...03/07-08/1941...low 20's to low 30's...wet snow ending as a mix...

2.08"...12.5"...02/13-14/2014...mid 20's to mid 30's to mid 20's...changed to rain for 12 hours...

2.06"...19.0"...01/26-27/2011...low 30's to mid 30's to upper 20's...changed to rain for a time...

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56 minutes ago, uncle W said:

all the winter storms with at least 2.00" of LE for NYC...

4.43"...17.5"...02/04-07/1920...mid 20's to low 30's...snow/ice/sleet for over 72 hours...

3.17"...20.9"...02/25-26/2010...mid 30's to upper 20's...wet snow some mix...

3.11"...14.5"...03/01-02/1914...upper 30's to upper teens...started as rain/sleet/ice...

2.68"...12.5"...02/20/1921........mid 30's to low 20's...started as rain/sleet/ice...

2.62"...17.4"...02/03-04/1961...upper 20's to low 30's...changed to sleet/rain for a time...

2.52"...10.6"...03/13-14/1993...low 30's to upper 30's...changed to sleet and rain...

2.40"...26.4"...12/26-27/1947...mid 20's to low 30's...all snow

2.32"...27.5"...01/22-23/2016...mid 20's...all snow

2.22"...10.4"...02/03-04/1926...mid 20's to 30...mixed with sleet and ice...

2.16"...20.2"...01/07-08/1996...low teens to low 20's...all snow...

2.10"...21.0"...03/12-14/1888...upper 30's to single digits...started as rain/sleet...

2.08"...18.1"...03/07-08/1941...low 20's to low 30's...wet snow ending as a mix...

2.08"...12.5"...02/13-14/2014...mid 20's to mid 30's to mid 20's...changed to rain for 12 hours...

2.06"...19.0"...01/26-27/2011...low 30's to mid 30's to upper 20's...changed to rain for a time...

I always forget that March 1914 storm, wasn't that a triple phaser?

And of course, Dec 1947 belongs on this list.

Wow we had another big LE wintry storm almost exactly a year after Feb 1920.

 

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26 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

I always forget that March 1914 storm, wasn't that a triple phaser?

And of course, Dec 1947 belongs on this list.

Wow we had another big LE wintry storm almost exactly a year after Feb 1920.

 

January 18-19th, 1936 had a storm that was mostly rain on the 18th but changed to heavy sleet and snow the next day...final totals...9.0" of snow and sleet...2.71" LE...

March 1914 set the record for the lowest barometric pressure ever for NYC...

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8 hours ago, frankdp23 said:

Interesting, I was born almost exactly 9 months after this storm...hmmmm  :)

I think people kind of forget about the 2006 storm is because it melted in like 2 days if I remember correctly. 

93-94 is my second fav winter.  Wish though I could have enjoyed it more as a 9th grader though.  My father was sick from cancer, and passed on March 31, 1994.  I remember one storm, it being 17 degrees and it pouring freezing rain.  My brother and I were so ticked off.  All the ice and snow though lead to near constant snow cover it seemed.

I think Feb 2006 was mostly forgotten because the heaviest snow fell in a smaller area relative to other blizzards and as you said, it melted within 2-3 days. Plus it occurred over the weekend so there were less people on the road.

Having experienced the full fury of that storm, it is perhaps the most memorable of any storm I ever witnessed. I was visiting somebody in The Bronx and stayed overnight. The snow wasn't really that heavy when I went to sleep so I thought it would be a pedestrian major with a foot or so as was forecasted then I woke up to huge drifts and thundersnow going on for what seemed like an hour. I went to look for my car and couldn't find it because so many cars were buried in drifts. It then took us a couple of hours to dig out because I had to go home and drove over the Throgs Neck bridge which had piles of snow all the way through (never seen that before on a major bridge) and took me hours to get home. The pure intensity of that snow with the Death Band sitting over the city producing Severe Thundersnow is something I'll never forget. One of those moments when you remembered everything you were doing at that time in every detail.

Feb '06, Boxing Day and PDII are king for me in my 40 years. Honourable mentions to Jan '16 and Jan '96.

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1 hour ago, uncle W said:

January 18-19th, 1936 had a storm that was mostly rain on the 18th but changed to heavy sleet and snow the next day...final totals...9.0" of snow and sleet...2.71" LE...

March 1914 set the record for the lowest barometric pressure ever for NYC...

the winds must have been amazing!

  higher LE directly correlates to the difficulty in shoveling it lol

 

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1 hour ago, uncle W said:

January 18-19th, 1936 had a storm that was mostly rain on the 18th but changed to heavy sleet and snow the next day...final totals...9.0" of snow and sleet...2.71" LE...

March 1914 set the record for the lowest barometric pressure ever for NYC...

Unc. You may not be old enough, but Do you remember Joe Bolton of later “Officer” Three Stooges Fame, as a Weatherman on b & w tv in the early fifties? He used a grease pen on a, I guess, glass screen overlaying an outline map to make temperature and other notations. For some reason the memory stuck with me. As always. ...

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On 12/6/2019 at 6:14 PM, rclab said:

Unc. You may not be old enough, but Do you remember Joe Bolton of later “Officer” Three Stooges Fame, as a Weatherman on b & w tv in the early fifties? He used a grease pen on a, I guess, glass screen overlaying an outline map to make temperature and other notations. For some reason the memory stuck with me. As always. ...

Do remember! how bout carol reed?

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39 minutes ago, uncle W said:

Gloria Okon...

There was a weather lady that would play the ukulele at the end of the forecast. I can’t remember her name. She may have been the one that Tex married.Tex would drop snippets of his upcoming marriage even to the point of saying they were going to Greece for the honeymoon. I believe the news anchor at that time was Roger Grimsby. As always ......

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I positively adored the February 1994 storms, along with December 30, 2000, for the snowcover and plowins. The more recent one that was far more bonkers in my neck of the woods (MMU) was March 7, 2018. 

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20 minutes ago, rclab said:

There was a weather lady that would play the ukulele at the end of the forecast. I can’t remember her name. She may have been the one that Tex married.Tex would drop snippets of his upcoming marriage even to the point of saying they were going to Greece for the honeymoon. I believe the news anchor at that time was Roger Grimsby. As always ......

Tex was by far the coolest ( not only weather personality). Classic Tex comes on New Years Eve plastered with an explanation of having just come from the dentist.

incredible guy with other outrageous stories.

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On 12/6/2019 at 3:05 PM, uncle W said:

all the winter storms with at least 2.00" of LE for NYC...

4.43"...17.5"...02/04-07/1920...mid 20's to low 30's...snow/ice/sleet for over 72 hours...

3.17"...20.9"...02/25-26/2010...mid 30's to upper 20's...wet snow some mix...

3.11"...14.5"...03/01-02/1914...upper 30's to upper teens...started as rain/sleet/ice...

2.68"...12.5"...02/20/1921........mid 30's to low 20's...started as rain/sleet/ice...

2.62"...17.4"...02/03-04/1961...upper 20's to low 30's...changed to sleet/rain for a time...

2.52"...10.6"...03/13-14/1993...low 30's to upper 30's...changed to sleet and rain...

2.40"...26.4"...12/26-27/1947...mid 20's to low 30's...all snow

2.32"...27.5"...01/22-23/2016...mid 20's...all snow

2.22"...10.4"...02/03-04/1926...mid 20's to 30...mixed with sleet and ice...

2.16"...20.2"...01/07-08/1996...low teens to low 20's...all snow...

2.10"...21.0"...03/12-14/1888...upper 30's to single digits...started as rain/sleet...

2.08"...18.1"...03/07-08/1941...low 20's to low 30's...wet snow ending as a mix...

2.08"...12.5"...02/13-14/2014...mid 20's to mid 30's to mid 20's...changed to rain for 12 hours...

2.06"...19.0"...01/26-27/2011...low 30's to mid 30's to upper 20's...changed to rain for a time...

The 96 measurement is still laughable.

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Just now, Ericjcrash said:

The 96 measurement is still laughable.

There was some pretty nasty dry slotting from about NYC to Nassau for a time.  Quite a few places there saw only 16-22 inches or so.  I want to say BDR only reported 17-18.  We’ve definitely had some oddball measurements over the years at the airports and NYC.  That Newark measurement on 2/11/94 I think most agree was wrong.  NYC’s measurement on 1/22/87 I had an NWS Met tell me 18-20 years ago they KNOW was wrong.  Recently we obviously have some real awful ones but even before 2000 we saw occasional sloppy reporting 

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On 12/6/2019 at 3:05 PM, uncle W said:

all the winter storms with at least 2.00" of LE for NYC...

4.43"...17.5"...02/04-07/1920...mid 20's to low 30's...snow/ice/sleet for over 72 hours...

3.17"...20.9"...02/25-26/2010...mid 30's to upper 20's...wet snow some mix...

3.11"...14.5"...03/01-02/1914...upper 30's to upper teens...started as rain/sleet/ice...

2.68"...12.5"...02/20/1921........mid 30's to low 20's...started as rain/sleet/ice...

2.62"...17.4"...02/03-04/1961...upper 20's to low 30's...changed to sleet/rain for a time...

2.52"...10.6"...03/13-14/1993...low 30's to upper 30's...changed to sleet and rain...

2.40"...26.4"...12/26-27/1947...mid 20's to low 30's...all snow

2.32"...27.5"...01/22-23/2016...mid 20's...all snow

2.22"...10.4"...02/03-04/1926...mid 20's to 30...mixed with sleet and ice...

2.16"...20.2"...01/07-08/1996...low teens to low 20's...all snow...

2.10"...21.0"...03/12-14/1888...upper 30's to single digits...started as rain/sleet...

2.08"...18.1"...03/07-08/1941...low 20's to low 30's...wet snow ending as a mix...

2.08"...12.5"...02/13-14/2014...mid 20's to mid 30's to mid 20's...changed to rain for 12 hours...

2.06"...19.0"...01/26-27/2011...low 30's to mid 30's to upper 20's...changed to rain for a time...

 2.16 LE in Jan 96 and only 20.2" of snow with temps that cold (presumably upper levels cold as well)...yeah I am going to go out on a limb and say they are likely 7-10" off

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20 minutes ago, SnowGoose69 said:

There was some pretty nasty dry slotting from about NYC to Nassau for a time.  Quite a few places there saw only 16-22 inches or so.  I want to say BDR only reported 17-18.  We’ve definitely had some oddball measurements over the years at the airports and NYC.  That Newark measurement on 2/11/94 I think most agree was wrong.  NYC’s measurement on 1/22/87 I had an NWS Met tell me 18-20 years ago they KNOW was wrong.  Recently we obviously have some real awful ones but even before 2000 we saw occasional sloppy reporting 

With that said the LE was 2.16"...the dry slot really matter?

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1 hour ago, Torch said:

Tex was by far the coolest ( not only weather personality). Classic Tex comes on New Years Eve plastered with an explanation of having just come from the dentist.

incredible guy with other outrageous stories.

he was so drunk one night you could not understand a word he was saying...It was during the holidays way back around 1963...

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58 minutes ago, weatherlogix said:

With that said the LE was 2.16"...the dry slot really matter?

I measured 23.0" in Brooklyn and another sight 3 miles to my se measured 23.6"...Central Park was under measured...

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1 hour ago, SnowGoose69 said:

There was some pretty nasty dry slotting from about NYC to Nassau for a time.  Quite a few places there saw only 16-22 inches or so.  I want to say BDR only reported 17-18.  We’ve definitely had some oddball measurements over the years at the airports and NYC.  That Newark measurement on 2/11/94 I think most agree was wrong.  NYC’s measurement on 1/22/87 I had an NWS Met tell me 18-20 years ago they KNOW was wrong.  Recently we obviously have some real awful ones but even before 2000 we saw occasional sloppy reporting 

Yes thats what put it 3rd on my list, I have Jan 2016, Feb 2003 and Jan 1996 in that order.  The second day of the storm was a bit of a disappointment.

 

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1 hour ago, Torch said:

Another name I haven’t even thought about since another lifetime ago.

I remember Scott Muni when he was on WMGM radio say 'hey kids...No school tomorrow' on March 3rd, 1960...

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23 minutes ago, uncle W said:

he was so drunk one night you could not understand a word he was saying...It was during the holidays way back around 1963...

New Year's Eve 1962, by far the coldest WCI I experienced before moving to northern Maine.  NYC temp was 13/4 while my NNJ home had 5/-8, and winds that tipped large bare-limbed oaks out of semi-frozen soil, smashed windows and nearly tore the 10-12" ice from a nearby reservoir, piling about 20 ft worth of it on the lee shore.  Along with the 1950 Apps gale, the strongest winds I've ever felt.  It was the backside NW-ies of a monster storm for the BGR region.  I was hoping Tex (whom I always watched if at all possible) would have some memorable comment on that day's wx but he'd had too much New Year's Eve cheer to be coherent. 

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1 hour ago, SnowGoose69 said:

There was some pretty nasty dry slotting from about NYC to Nassau for a time.  Quite a few places there saw only 16-22 inches or so.  I want to say BDR only reported 17-18.  We’ve definitely had some oddball measurements over the years at the airports and NYC.  That Newark measurement on 2/11/94 I think most agree was wrong.  NYC’s measurement on 1/22/87 I had an NWS Met tell me 18-20 years ago they KNOW was wrong.  Recently we obviously have some real awful ones but even before 2000 we saw occasional sloppy reporting 

At that time I remember a the Fugazy Cadillac dealer had some kind of contest with a substantial award if the storm snow total went over 20 inches. I remember the initial measurement zoo folk coming in, conveniently a little under 20 inches. I didn’t know a dry slot from a wet slot ( no snickering youngsters ). I just remember that my let it snow 24 inch upright measure board completely disappeared in my postage stamp back yard. “ Those were the days my friends, we thought they’d never end”. As always ......

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