NYCGreg Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 minute ago, NJwx85 said: Some people are happy for others when it snows for them and not for me. I'm not one of those people. That's especially true when I was reminded of that fact about every minute. It was essentially spiking the football and then running over to pick up the football to spike it again. One thing to post every hour or so to update snowfall totals. But it was a five minute process of "it's puking snow", "it's still puking snow", wait "oh, it's still puking snow". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwx85 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 minute ago, NYCGreg said: Some people are happy for others when it snows for them and not for me. I'm not one of those people. That's especially true when I was reminded of that fact about every minute. It was essentially spiking the football and then running over to pick up the football to spike it again. One thing to post every hour or so to update snowfall totals. But it was a five minute process of "it's puking snow", "it's still puking snow", wait "oh, it's still puking snow". I don't know if you're new here, but you should go back and look at some of the older big storm threads where C NJ, NYC and LI got rocked and you'll find the same thing, except obviously with different posters. Nobody was trying to smear our good fortune in your face, however we should be allowed to post observations as we see fit. And from what I understand, you still received some snow, which makes you come across as even bigger spoiled brat. Getting shafted is when you receive nothing and places 20 miles away get 2 feet. Been there, done that on too many occasions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYCGreg Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 minute ago, NJwx85 said: I don't know if you're new here, but you should go back and look at some of the older big storm threads where C NJ, NYC and LI got rocked and you'll find the same thing, except obviously with different posters. Nobody was trying to smear our good fortune in your face, however we should be allowed to post observations as we see fit. And from what I understand, you still received some snow, which makes you come across as even bigger spoiled brat. Getting shafted is when you receive nothing and places 20 miles away get 2 feet. Been there, done that on too many occasions. I don't have the time or inclination to get into an extended back and forth on this. While everyone has a right to post observations, it's one thing to do it in a way to make it plainly obvious that it is spiking the football. If you were being hit hard at 11:00, do you think anyone needed an update an 11:05? I've been on this board for a while, most of the time just reading. If people in this area did the same thing while you got nothing, then they were wrong too. And that's all I have to say about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwx85 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, NYCGreg said: I don't have the time or inclination to get into an extended back and forth on this. While everyone has a right to post observations, it's one thing to do it in a way to make it plainly obvious that it is spiking the football. If you were being hit hard at 11:00, do you think anyone needed an update an 11:05? I've been on this board for a while, most of the time just reading. If people in this area did the same thing while you got nothing, then they were wrong too. And that's all I have to say about it. You're entitled to your own opinion, and I am sure that you will be just as outraged the next time the city and LI get slammed while I'm sniffing cirrus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxEngine Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Just a reminder, parts of the immediate metro saw 26". Ill take that dud every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwx85 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Just now, BxEngine said: Just a reminder, parts of the immediate metro saw 26". Ill take that dud every time. Yeah, it's not like the big totals were relegated to some obscure corner of Orange County. The Western half of the sub forum saw a major storm, and this is no different from the recent storms that jackpotted Long Island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 21 minutes ago, NYCGreg said: Some people are happy for others when it snows for them and not for me. I'm not one of those people. That's especially true when I was reminded of that fact about every minute. It was essentially spiking the football and then running over to pick up the football to spike it again. One thing to post every hour or so to update snowfall totals. But it was a five minute process of "it's puking snow", "it's still puking snow", wait "oh, it's still puking snow". Christ, that's been the shtick on these boards for years...you have thin skin bro... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliancolton Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 There's literally nothing more unfathomable to me than jealousy or bitterness over someone else's good fortune, especially when it's the weather. Your ex falling happily in love again, sure. Rich people cruising around town in Lambos while you slave away in the coal mine, OK, fine. But snow? Snow?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yanksfan Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 5 minutes ago, NJwx85 said: You're entitled to your own opinion, and I am sure that you will be just as outraged the next time the city and LI get slammed while I'm sniffing cirrus Whatever happened to the days when DC to Boston got slammed? If that happened today everyone would be singing kumbaya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, NutleyBlizzard said: Whatever happened to the days when DC to Boston got slammed? If that happened today everyone would be singing kumbaya. uniform snowfall distribution has become rare in recent years...these maps of snow fallen look much more convective in nature than in years past where the high # would be 10 and the low would be 6 over a large geographic area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwx85 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Just now, NutleyBlizzard said: Whatever happened to the days when DC to Boston got slammed? If that happened today everyone would be singing kumbaya. Last time I believe that happened was with PDII. That's what separates those storms into a category of their own. Obviously January 5-6, 1996 is in that group. Many others have come close, but usually shaft either DC or Boston, including January 2016. Actually January 22-24, 2016 is probably the closest we've come since, unless someone else remembers better than I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 11 minutes ago, Juliancolton said: There's literally nothing more unfathomable to me than jealousy or bitterness over someone else's good fortune, especially when it's the weather. Your ex falling happily in love again, sure. Rich people cruising around town in Lambos while you slave away in the coal mine, OK, fine. But snow? Snow?! I am actually happy for the interior crew. Things have been really one sided for the coast in recent years. You guys have been having better fortunes beginning with the blizzard last March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwx85 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, bluewave said: I am actually happy for the interior crew. Things have been really one sided for the coast in recent years. You guys have been having better fortunes beginning with the blizzard last March. I admittedly was starting to get bitter because storm after storm would slam the coast with feet of snow while the best I could hope for was a few inches, but as you've said, the coast was the place to be for most of the last fifteen, almost twenty years! I cringe to think of the meltdowns on this board if we truly had a snowless Winter like was common in the 80's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjay Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 10 minutes ago, bluewave said: I am actually happy for the interior crew. Things have been really one sided for the coast in recent years. You guys have been having better fortunes beginning with the blizzard last March. Ditto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxEngine Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 11 minutes ago, Rjay said: Ditto Ill be super happy in a few months when we get a decent storm and you get a fizzling shower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwx85 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 16 minutes ago, BxEngine said: Ill be super happy in a few months when we get a decent storm and you get a fizzling shower. Ditto Although severe season lasts from like July 20th to August 15th here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 38 minutes ago, NutleyBlizzard said: Whatever happened to the days when DC to Boston got slammed? If that happened today everyone would be singing kumbaya. DC has had another brutal winter. Just 3.7" snow (25% of normal to date) has fallen there. That follows last winter's 3.4". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwx85 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 8 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said: DC has had another brutal winter. Just 3.7" snow (25% of normal to date) has fallen there. That follows last winter's 3.4". Still making up for 09-10 down there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 8 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said: DC has had another brutal winter. Just 3.7" snow (25% of normal to date) has fallen there. That follows last winter's 3.4". Amazing they missed the 1/4 storm which slammed the NC Outer Banks and Virginia Beach. Really bad luck there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North and West Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 DC has had another brutal winter. Just 3.7" snow (25% of normal to date) has fallen there. That follows last winter's 3.4".What do you think the reason for this is? I’ve followed Capital Weather Gang for years, and it’s either feast or famine there. (Famine more often than not, considering their geographic situation). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Just now, North and West said: What do you think the reason for this is? I’ve followed Capital Weather Gang for years, and it’s either feast or famine there. (Famine more often than not, considering their geographic situation) . I think there is a long-term decline due to warming temperatures in a climate already marginal for snow. There is some degree of luck, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwx85 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Just now, North and West said: What do you think the reason for this is? I’ve followed Capital Weather Gang for years, and it’s either feast or famine there. (Famine more often than not, considering their geographic situation) . Obviously they benefit tremendously from strong blocking, but you also need a deep arctic intrusion. Both of which have been lacking in recent years, especially at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 30 minutes ago, NJwx85 said: I admittedly was starting to get bitter because storm after storm would slam the coast with feet of snow while the best I could hope for was a few inches, but as you've said, the coast was the place to be for most of the last fifteen, almost twenty years! I cringe to think of the meltdowns on this board if we truly had a snowless Winter like was common in the 80's. The only jackpot that I was annoyed at missing since 2000 was 2-9-13. Rates like that are the one type of snow extreme that I haven't seen yet. https://www.wunderground.com/blog/24hourprof/unprecedented-radar-reflectivities-and-snowfall-rates.html On the other hand, I've never heard of snowfall rates as high as 8 inches per hour that were sustained for two hours. The rarity of the reported snowfall rates seemed to fit the rarity of the radar data for this event. I think the radar reflectivities for snow were so large that the hydrometeorclassification algorithm, a utility of dual-polarization radars, simply failed in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwx85 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Just now, nzucker said: I think there is a long-term decline due to warming temperatures in a climate already marginal for snow. There is some degree of luck, too. Often times it is a matter of luck, which is why we love blocking so much, because that decreases the luck factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwx85 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, bluewave said: The only jackpot that I was annoyed at missing since 2000 was 2-9-13. Rates like that are the one type of snow extreme that I haven't seen yet. https://www.wunderground.com/blog/24hourprof/unprecedented-radar-reflectivities-and-snowfall-rates.html On the other hand, I've never heard of snowfall rates as high as 8 inches per hour that were sustained for two hours. The rarity of the reported snowfall rates seemed to fit the rarity of the radar data for this event. I think the radar reflectivities for snow were so large that the hydrometeorclassification algorithm, a utility of dual-polarization radars, simply failed in this case. Yeah that was an incredible stretch for Boston which lasted until 2016-2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 53 minutes ago, Juliancolton said: There's literally nothing more unfathomable to me than jealousy or bitterness over someone else's good fortune, especially when it's the weather. Your ex falling happily in love again, sure. Rich people cruising around town in Lambos while you slave away in the coal mine, OK, fine. But snow? Snow?! I agree with everything but violently disagree with the bolded. Good riddance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snywx Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 hour ago, BxEngine said: Just a reminder, parts of the immediate metro saw 26". Ill take that dud every time. No way!! but but the HV isn't part of the NYC metro. Only east of the boros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastalplainsnowman Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Juliancolton said: There's literally nothing more unfathomable to me than jealousy or bitterness over someone else's good fortune, especially when it's the weather. Your ex falling happily in love again, sure. Rich people cruising around town in Lambos while you slave away in the coal mine, OK, fine. But snow? Snow?! I used to do a poll years ago where I'd ask ' Would you rather jackpot with 8", or get 10" with someone nearby jackpotting with 16'? The vote went 2-1 for the 8". I gotta tell ya, if I'm being honest, I would go with the former too, and I think it's simply about expectations rather than jealousy. This last storm crystallized something else too -- I don't know much, nothing technical in fact, about subsidence, but I know that a dynamic system with lots of it is going to have a high standard deviation with regard to amounts. Thus, the more exciting the system, the greater the likelihood of mass disappointment. One last thing, I agree with the posters like myself who lived through the 80s. We would go years and years without being in the 6-12, and even I've been spoiled by the last 15+ years where I come to expect 12". How would anyone who's grown up in the 2000s/2010s *not* be disappointed with less than 6"? In the 80s I would be thrilled i I was in the 3-6 (the bright white in the TWC maps.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 hour ago, North and West said: What do you think the reason for this is? I’ve followed Capital Weather Gang for years, and it’s either feast or famine there. (Famine more often than not, considering their geographic situation) . Washington, DC has high natural variability with respect to seasonal snowfall (standard deviation = 66% of annual snowfall for the 1884-85 through 2016-17 period). However, natural variability alone likely does not explain the decline in annual seasonal snowfall that has occurred. The historic average is 17.8" (excluding 2017-18). During the last 30 winters prior to the current one, average snowfall had declined to 13.9". Variability had increased in absolute and relative terms. The standard deviation rose from 11.8" to 13.8" (66% annual snowfall to 99% annual snowfall). I suspect Washington, DC's warming during the winter has contributed to both decreased average snowfall (more frequent low snowfall seasons) and increased variability. The historic December-March temperature was 39.1°. The December-March average temperature for the most recent 30 winters prior to the current winter was 41.0°. Statistically, the probability of a very warm winter (mean temperature of 43° or above) had risen quite dramatically from 5.7% over the historic period to 22.0% during the most recent 30 winters excluding the current one. The statistical probability of the City's experiencing severely cold winters (December-March mean temperature 37.0° or below) fell dramatically from 22.3% over the historic period to 7.6% during the referenced 30-winter period. In fact, the last such winter was 1977-78. At the same time, the statistical probability of Washington DC's seeing less than 10" seasonal snowfall increased from 25% (historic period) to 39% for the referenced 30-winter period (around a 56% increase). Even worse, the city's statistical probability of seeing less than 5" seasonal snowfall rose from 14% to 26% (about an 85% increase). Put another way, the statistical probability of Washington DC's receiving less than 5" seasonal snowfall during the referenced 30-year period was approximately the same as its probability of seeing less than 10" has been over the historical period. It should be noted that during the 1904-05 through 1919-20 period, Richmond had an average December-March temperature of 41.0° (identical to the referenced 30-year period). During that time, Richmond averaged 14.8" seasonal snowfall. During the most recent years, Richmond has seen notably less average seasonal snowfall. The winter temperature trend has likely played a role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 DC and surrounding areas have doubled in size in the last 50 years...the heat island has expanded as well...I blame the snow drought on the lobbyists... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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