Baroclinic Zone Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 27" in Naples. LOL, we have a client currently building a house up there on Brandy Pond. Guess they're shoveling out today instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Miser Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Picked up an entire dusting overnight, although I think there might have been a bit of accumulation before the change over to rain yesterday, but I was not home to witness it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Shawnee Peak coming in with 20". Sunday River reporting 20" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 12 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said: I forgot about the area up 140 where you go through the town line a couple times. Gets pretty high just east of there on justice hill Rd. That's prob where the report would be most realistic since we already know some of the higher spots in Princeton had double digits...so 8.4 wouldn't be a shock on the northern side of sterling with several hundred feet of extra elevation. Even in ORH there was some big differences. Close to 6" at the Holden line and prob half that on the east side near lake quinsig. Wachusett is claiming a foot...but you know...Wachusett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lava Rock Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 8 minutes ago, Baroclinic Zone said: 27" in Naples. LOL, we have a client currently building a house up there on Brandy Pond. Guess they're shoveling out today instead. I'm a bit skeptical of that. I got 21" and Sebago (town of) recorded 22". Naples sits somewhat is the middle of both towns. Also, Shawnee Peak just north of Naples on 302 coming in at 20". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 14 minutes ago, Baroclinic Zone said: Shawnee Peak coming in with 20". Sunday River reporting 20" A lot of 20"+ totals around 000 NOUS41 KGYX 301327 PNSGYX MEZ007>009-012>014-018>028-NHZ001>015-180235--310127- PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT SPOTTER REPORTS NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE GRAY ME 827 AM EST FRI DEC 30 2016 THE FOLLOWING ARE UNOFFICIAL OBSERVATIONS TAKEN DURING THE PAST 7 HOURS FOR THE STORM THAT HAS BEEN AFFECTING OUR REGION. APPRECIATION IS EXTENDED TO HIGHWAY DEPARTMENTS...COOPERATIVE OBSERVERS...SKYWARN SPOTTERS AND MEDIA FOR THESE REPORTS. THIS SUMMARY IS ALSO AVAILABLE ON OUR HOME PAGE AT WEATHER.GOV/GRAY ********************STORM TOTAL SNOWFALL******************** LOCATION STORM TOTAL TIME/DATE COMMENTS SNOWFALL OF /INCHES/ MEASUREMENT MAINE ...ANDROSCOGGIN COUNTY... 9 W WINTHROP 24.0 750 AM 12/30 COCORAHS MINOT 20.0 130 AM 12/30 14 IN 5 HOURS 2 E LEWISTON 19.0 807 AM 12/30 TRAINED SPOTTER TURNER 18.5 602 AM 12/30 SOCIAL MEDIA 1 NW AUBURN 18.5 320 AM 12/30 STORM TOTAL POLAND 18.5 516 AM 12/30 TRAINED SPOTTER 5 NNW GREENE 17.5 700 AM 12/30 COCORAHS 1 ENE LISBON FALLS 10.0 759 AM 12/30 TRAINED SPOTTER ...CUMBERLAND COUNTY... STANDISH 27.0 745 AM 12/30 SOCIAL MEDIA NAPLES 27.0 155 AM 12/30 NWS EMPLOYEE 1 SSE NORTH SEBAGO 24.0 208 AM 12/30 SNOW STARTING TO END. 1 WSW NORTH WINDHAM 19.7 637 AM 12/30 TRAINED SPOTTER RAYMOND 19.0 155 AM 12/30 SOCIAL MEDIA CASCO 19.0 713 AM 12/30 SOCIAL MEDIA NEW GLOUCESTER 18.0 617 AM 12/30 SOCIAL MEDIA GRAY NWS OFFICE 16.6 303 AM 12/30 NWS OFFICE GRAY 16.5 554 AM 12/30 NWS EMPLOYEE 2 ENE NORTH WINDHAM 16.4 825 AM 12/30 TRAINED SPOTTER 3 SE NEW GLOUCESTER 15.5 700 AM 12/30 COCORAHS GORHAM 12.6 805 AM 12/30 NWS EMPLOYEE 1 ENE SOUTH WINDHAM 12.5 726 AM 12/30 1.85 H2O EQUIVALENT 3 NNW PORTLAND 11.5 146 AM 12/30 3 INCHES IN 1 HOUR 3 N WESTBROOK 10.5 700 AM 12/30 COCORAHS WESTBROOK 9.5 742 AM 12/30 NWS EMPLOYEE 2 SSW FREEPORT 7.8 610 AM 12/30 COCORAHS PORTLAND JETPORT 7.7 714 AM 12/30 ASOS FREEPORT 7.0 523 AM 12/30 TRAINED SPOTTER ...FRANKLIN COUNTY... JAY 21.0 716 AM 12/30 SOCIAL MEDIA WILTON 20.0 736 AM 12/30 TRAINED SPOTTER NEW SHARON 19.0 634 AM 12/30 SOCIAL MEDIA 3 W CHESTERVILLE 19.0 753 AM 12/30 TRAINED SPOTTER ...KENNEBEC COUNTY... FAYETTE 21.0 637 AM 12/30 SOCIAL MEDIA 2 WSW WINTHROP 16.5 600 AM 12/30 COCORAHS HALLOWELL 14.0 635 AM 12/30 SOCIAL MEDIA WINSLOW 12.0 618 AM 12/30 SOCIAL MEDIA WATERVILLE 11.0 543 AM 12/30 PUBLIC 1 W WINDSOR 10.0 700 AM 12/30 COCORAHS ...KNOX COUNTY... 3 W UNION 5.2 645 AM 12/30 COCORAHS HOPE 3.0 558 AM 12/30 TRAINED SPOTTER ROCKPORT 1.8 820 AM 12/30 SOCIAL MEDIA 1 SSW CAMDEN 1.5 742 AM 12/30 TRAINED SPOTTER ...LINCOLN COUNTY... 2 SW NEWCASTLE 3.0 700 AM 12/30 COCORAHS NE TREVETT 2.0 700 AM 12/30 COCORAHS ...OXFORD COUNTY... 2 NW OXFORD 27.0 654 AM 12/30 TRAINED SPOTTER RUMFORD 23.0 140 AM 12/30 SOCIAL MEDIA PERU 22.0 138 AM 12/30 SOCIAL MEDIA HEBRON 19.5 633 AM 12/30 TRAINED SPOTTER WEST PARIS 18.0 128 AM 12/30 SOCIAL MEDIA ...SAGADAHOC COUNTY... 2 SSW PHIPPSBURG 5.2 714 AM 12/30 TRAINED SPOTTER 5 S PHIPPSBURG 3.0 735 AM 12/30 COCORAHS 4 NE TOPSHAM 2.5 700 AM 12/30 COCORAHS ...SOMERSET COUNTY... NORTH ANSON 24.0 636 AM 12/30 SOCIAL MEDIA 4 ESE SOLON 20.0 700 AM 12/30 COCORAHS SKOWHEGAN 18.0 657 AM 12/30 SOCIAL MEDIA 2 ESE NORRIDGEWOCK 16.0 700 AM 12/30 COCORAHS 4 NW PALMYRA 13.3 700 AM 12/30 COCORAHS ...WALDO COUNTY... 2 NNW BELFAST 3.5 701 AM 12/30 TRAINED SPOTTER ...YORK COUNTY... PARSONSFIELD 25.0 724 AM 12/30 SOCIAL MEDIA LIMINGTON 24.2 555 AM 12/30 TRAINED SPOTTER 3 NW ACTON 21.4 530 AM 12/30 COCORAHS 1 NE NORTH WATERBORO 21.0 800 AM 12/30 COCORAHS 1 SSW CORNISH 16.2 658 AM 12/30 TRAINED SPOTTER 3 SW WEST NEWFIELD 16.0 756 AM 12/30 TRAINED SPOTTER LYMAN 14.0 204 AM 12/30 SOCIAL MEDIA BARTLETT MILLS 7.5 137 AM 12/30 TRAINED SPOTTER 5 N YORK 5.8 700 AM 12/30 COCORAHS NEW HAMPSHIRE ...BELKNAP COUNTY... 2 SW BELMONT 10.1 700 AM 12/30 COCORAHS 3 SSW MEREDITH 9.1 720 AM 12/30 COCORAHS 3 NNE MEREDITH 9.0 715 AM 12/30 COCORAHS LACONIA 9.0 500 AM 12/30 CO-OP OBSERVER 3 NE TILTON NORTHFIE 8.8 730 AM 12/30 COCORAHS ...CARROLL COUNTY... OSSIPEE 17.0 430 AM 12/30 SOCIAL MEDIA 1 N MADISON 16.0 652 AM 12/30 TRAINED SPOTTER 2 SE MADISON 16.0 700 AM 12/30 COCORAHS 1 SE TAMWORTH 15.0 752 AM 12/30 TRAINED SPOTTER 1 SE JACKSON 14.0 639 AM 12/30 TRAINED SPOTTER UNION 14.0 130 AM 12/30 SOCIAL MEDIA 1 SSW NORTH CONWAY 13.8 700 AM 12/30 COCORAHS 5 E CENTER SANDWICH 11.5 630 AM 12/30 COCORAHS 2 ENE LEAVITT PARK 11.5 413 AM 12/30 STORM TOTAL WOLFEBORO 10.0 806 AM 12/30 TRAINED SPOTTER ...CHESHIRE COUNTY... WNW WEST CHESTERFIEL 7.0 700 AM 12/30 COCORAHS 3 ESE RINDGE 5.3 545 AM 12/30 COCORAHS ...COOS COUNTY... MOUNT WASHINGTON 17.2 800 AM 12/30 COOP 6 NE PITTSBURG 8.0 700 AM 12/30 COCORAHS 1 SE LANCASTER 6.0 752 AM 12/30 TRAINED SPOTTER 1 N LANCASTER 4.5 600 AM 12/30 COCORAHS ...GRAFTON COUNTY... 4 NNE DORCHESTER 6.0 700 AM 12/30 COCORAHS 1 NE FRANCONIA 4.5 655 AM 12/30 COCORAHS 3 E ORFORD 4.0 550 AM 12/30 TRAINED SPOTTER ...HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY... 2 SE MILFORD 9.5 730 AM 12/30 COCORAHS 4 SE WEARE 7.5 806 AM 12/30 TRAINED SPOTTER 1 SSW MONT VERNON 7.0 630 AM 12/30 COCORAHS 3 ENE HOLLIS 4.2 700 AM 12/30 COCORAHS ...MERRIMACK COUNTY... 3 E NORTHFIELD 11.3 540 AM 12/30 COCORAHS 2 ENE EPSOM 10.0 459 AM 12/30 TRAINED SPOTTER 2 NW BOW 10.0 700 AM 12/30 COCORAHS 3 SSW CHICHESTER 9.0 300 AM 12/30 COCORAHS CONCORD ASOS 8.3 715 AM 12/30 ASOS 2 SE BOSCAWEN 7.9 700 AM 12/30 COCORAHS 2 NW NEWBURY 7.2 700 AM 12/30 COCORAHS 4 SE DUNBARTON 7.0 600 AM 12/30 COCORAHS 1 SSE HENNIKER 6.5 820 AM 12/30 TRAINED SPOTTER 3 SSE SOUTH SUTTON 6.0 700 AM 12/30 COCORAHS ...ROCKINGHAM COUNTY... 1 S EAST HAMPSTEAD 13.0 752 AM 12/30 TRAINED SPOTTER 1 NNE DEERFIELD 10.0 759 AM 12/30 TRAINED SPOTTER LONDONDERRY 6.6 718 AM 12/30 TRAINED SPOTTER 2 ESE STRATHAM 4.1 430 AM 12/30 COCORAHS 2 WSW NORTH HAMPTON 3.0 553 AM 12/30 TRAINED SPOTTER ...STRAFFORD COUNTY... 2 SSW GONIC 15.3 515 AM 12/30 TRAINED SPOTTER MIDDLETON 15.0 745 AM 12/30 SOCIAL MEDIA ...SULLIVAN COUNTY... 1 WSW WEST UNITY 7.0 700 AM 12/30 COCORAHS && Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted December 30, 2016 Author Share Posted December 30, 2016 Nice snow shower here. Lake streamer reaching us I'm guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 It is absolutely nuking out right now. Classic squall sitting on Mansfield at this time. These are like mini-deform bands, lol. Same huge flakes just pouring down at bursts of up to 2"/hr. Just doesn't last as long usually, ha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbenedet Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 8 minutes ago, dryslot said: Yes, Euro took back its throne, Over a 3 day period it never wavered, And was the first to latch over 5 days ago The GFS also resolved the track and intensity well. With regard to snow totals the GFS performed poorly, but the GFS has difficulty resolving BL temps--most of us know this full well-- and therefore it should NOT be used explicitly to determine snow accums in marginal temperature situations. Euro king, and GFS queen with this event. But in all honesty should we have expected anything different? Admittedly, I felt a bit like the world was upside down when people were weighing the NAM more than the EURO/GFS. That was a trap that the northwest crowd never should have fallen into. I spent much of my life in LI NY and have studied marginal snow situations during Nor'easters ad nauseusm as a result--it came with the teritory. A good rule of thumb when it comes to Nor'easters is that if the NAM is on the northwest envelope of guidance it is usually WRONG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 3 minutes ago, jbenedet said: The GFS also resolved the track and intensity well. With regard to snow totals the GFS performed poorly, but the GFS has difficulty resolving BL temps--most of us know this full well-- and therefore it should NOT be used explicitly to determine snow accums in marginal temperature situations. Euro king, and GFS queen with this event. But in all honesty should we have expected anything different? Admittedly, I felt a bit like the world was upside down when people were weighing the NAM more than the EURO/GFS. That was a trap that the northwest crowd never should have fallen into. I spent much of my life in LI NY and have studied marginal snow situations during Nor'easters ad nauseusm as a result--it came with the teritory. A good rule of thumb when it comes to Nor'easters is that if the NAM is on the northwest envelope of guidance it is usually WRONG. Point taken. Conversely, if it's on the SE envelope of guidance in these events are you suggesting it is usually right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 27 minutes ago, dryslot said: Yes, Euro took back its throne, Over a 3 day period it never wavered, And was the first to latch over 5 days ago Euro did the best, but it sucked for most of NH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 For days the euro was the only model crushing deep interior NH and then the other models started following suit. The GFS never really did get there. To be honest, if you went with a GFS forecast out here you probably would've fared better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Just now, dendrite said: Euro did the best, but it sucked for most of NH. It was those last 24hr tics east that shifted the heaviest qpf into the foothill region over to here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbenedet Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 5 minutes ago, moneypitmike said: Point taken. Conversely, if it's on the SE envelope of guidance in these events are you suggesting it is usually right? No. BUT that can often indicate the globals are too far NW. Basically, in general, one should expect the NAM to be further NW than the globals. If it isn't it can sometimes be used as a red flag that the globals are too far NW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Just now, dendrite said: For days the euro was the only model crushing deep interior NH and then the other models started following suit. The GFS never really did get there. To be honest, if you went with a GFS forecast out here you probably would've fared better. GFS was terrible here, It had me seeing mostly rain, i did not receive any, The Nam had rain here as well, But it was not far off with the qpf, But that's the GFS its bias with BL temps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 The 00z GFS I think from yesterday had the 700 low closing off NE of IZG. The euro had it east near PWM where it happened. I think the euro in the time of need really did well in maine. The GFS crapped itself in the last 36 hrs. Euro in the 2-3 days prior was too far west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 2 minutes ago, jbenedet said: No. BUT that can often indicate the globals are too far SE. Basically, in general, one should expect the NAM to be further NW than the globals. If it isn't it can sometimes be used as a red flag that the globals are too far SE. Without the midlevel support for NH we should have known better. SW ME jack was a result of a lot of things... Low level forcing, mid level, frigging everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Just now, CoastalWx said: The 00z GFS I think from yesterday had the 700 low closing off NE of IZG. The euro had it east near PWM where it happened. I think the euro in the time of need really did well in maine. The GFS crapped itself in the last 36 hrs. Euro in the 2-3 days prior was too far west. Can't name the last time the GFS has done anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 1 minute ago, dryslot said: GFS was terrible here, It had me seeing mostly rain, i did not receive any, The Nam had rain here as well, But it was not far off with the qpf, But that's the GFS its bias with BL temps Don't get me wrong, I agree that the euro had the best forecast as a whole for days. No model is going to get every detail perfectly right. They're just guidance. The euro had the best clue as to how the system was going to evolve...it was just a little too far west. Unfortunately for me that was the difference between 8" and 18". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbenedet Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 1 minute ago, dryslot said: GFS was terrible here, It had me seeing mostly rain, i did not receive any, The Nam had rain here as well, But it was not far off with the qpf, But that's the GFS its bias with BL temps That's the thing. I use the GFS only for track/intensity, UL development etc. Using it explicitly to determined RN/SN/mix line and snow totals in marginal setups is an absolute no-no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 2 minutes ago, dendrite said: Don't get me wrong, I agree that the euro had the best forecast as a whole for days. No model is going to get every detail perfectly right. They're just guidance. The euro had the best clue as to how the system was going to evolve...it was just a little too far west. Unfortunately for me that was the difference between 8" and 18". No, I agree, That's why its best to blend because of the bias factors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 7 minutes ago, jbenedet said: No. BUT that can often indicate the globals are too far NW. Basically, in general, one should expect the NAM to be further NW than the globals. If it isn't it can sometimes be used as a red flag that the globals are too far NW. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 2 minutes ago, jbenedet said: That's the thing. I use the GFS only for track/intensity, UL development etc. Using it explicitly to determined RN/SN/mix line and snow totals in marginal setups is an absolute no-no. I had posted that WPC track map 2 days back that had this going over the outer cape into DE maine and you made the comment that that track was reasonable as i recall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 The GFS really was way too warm in ME too.I just looked at 950 temps from the 6z run. Oye Vey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Looks like snow squall inbound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 1 minute ago, CoastalWx said: The GFS really was way too warm in ME too.I just looked at 950 temps from the 6z run. Oye Vey. The NAM was a well, It had me at +2.5c................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 One storm and we are slightly over 50% of climo and its December...........lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbenedet Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 17 minutes ago, dryslot said: I had posted that WPC track map 2 days back that had this going over the outer cape into DE maine and you made the comment that that track was reasonable as i recall Yes. I guess we can debate "DE maine" but I was pretty well set on this being east of Portland ME--but definitely not east of Bangor's longitude. I noticed pretty quickly that the mesos were having this system bend back wayyy to quickly, based on the upper levels. The track from CC to east of Portland always made most sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 2 minutes ago, jbenedet said: Yes. I guess we can debate "DE maine" but I was pretty well set on this being east of Portland ME--but definitely not east of Bangor's longitude. Well BHB was where it looked to track, I think the Euro had it there as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 #NNE winter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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