weatherbo Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 I'm happy for the northern storm pattern over the next week. Ontario trails are still a mess up there, I'm planning on heading up to SSM Ontario on the 12th through 15th period... and perhaps the next two book-ended weekends following that. I need some snow in that area. It's similar to the Big Bay route near you, lots of rock sticking out of the trail... Oh, my cousin blew out his front A-Arms on a lame creek flowing over the trail in that area! Surprising just how rugged some of the trails are here before 3' of snow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherbo Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 No way. There's more winter left for all of us. What I was meaning to say is... when people mention how bad of a Winter it has been, some like to remind of the November storm. I'm just thinking that's money spent for most. I agree lot's of Winter left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachLB Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 The struggle is real lol.. I average around 18-25 inches of snow for winter. With all the little scrapes this winter might have around 5-6 inches for this winter. Pushing 60 next week and Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilly84 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 The struggle is real lol.. I average around 18-25 inches of snow for winter. With all the little scrapes this winter might have around 5-6 inches for this winter. Pushing 60 next week and Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisconsinwx Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 I feel bad for complaining too much, but I'm still in a snow hole regionally speaking. The airport has outdone my total in pretty much every decent snow this year, and now I got a dusting last night while Merton in the next county over, Waukesha, received 7". Just seems brutal, even though it's nothing compared to what Ohio posters are going through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 I feel bad for complaining too much, but I'm still in a snow hole regionally speaking. The airport has outdone my total in pretty much every decent snow this year, and now I got a dusting last night while Merton in the next county over, Waukesha, received 7". Just seems brutal, even though it's nothing compared to what Ohio posters are going through. How much snow have you had this winter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-K Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 who cares free moneyman free bowme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackstraw Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 /\ What he said, plus this sucks.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 /\ What he said, plus this sucks.............. sucks.jpg Lol at the only winter storm warning being in Texas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisconsinwx Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Not exact, but I've had about 15-16". I had 4" in the late November storm, just over 6" on December 28th and a few 1-2" events in the last couple weeks. Definitely below normal, though Mitchell Airport is not that much below normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 That's basically every winter in central Ohio. I used to be a winter fanatic, now unless I chase a blizzard like this last one, I couldn't care less about watching models for here. Appalachians are a killer for us over to Pittsburgh. This is actually wrong. You're just at a bad latitude. It also doesn't help being so far away from the great lakes and the added moisture they can contribute to boost yearly totals. Indianapolis, Columbus, Pittsburgh PA, Philadelphia, Baltimore all at similar latitudes average around the same amount of snowfall per year on average. This is just a record El Nino and anyone that expected normal to above normal snowfall or anything that resembled a "normal" winter would be disappointed. Pittsburgh averages 41.9", Indy 25.9", Philly 22", Columbus 25", DC 15.4", Baltimore 21" So the notion that the Apps kills anyone is wrong. The closest residence to the Apps average the most snowfall. Oh, the "synoptic desert" stuff again. The Apps kills all synoptic activity! I will say it is much harder to get big dogs in those locations in comparison to being around a rich moisture source like the Atlantic Ocean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Just looked on this site http://www.theweathercollector.com/ And I can see 16-18" amounts to the NW of Miwaukee. Didn't know it sucked that much. Doesn't include yesterday's amounts though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 This is actually wrong. You're just at a bad latitude. It also doesn't help being so far away from the great lakes and the added moisture they can contribute to boost yearly totals. Indianapolis, Columbus, Pittsburgh PA, Philadelphia, Baltimore all at similar latitudes average around the same amount of snowfall per year on average. This is just a record El Nino and anyone that expected normal to above normal snowfall or anything that resembled a "normal" winter would be disappointed. Pittsburgh averages 41.9", Indy 25.9", Philly 22", Columbus 25", DC 15.4", Baltimore 21" So the notion that the Apps kills anyone is wrong. The closest residence to the Apps average the most snowfall. Oh, the "synoptic desert" stuff again. The Apps kills all synoptic activity! I will say it is much harder to get big dogs in those locations in comparison to being around a rich moisture source like the Atlantic Ocean. Man, you've really got a weird obsession with trying to deny the existence of a sort of "snow-shadow" W of the Apps. I've seen mets talk about in AFDs or in HPC discussions. It's a real thing. And if Lake Erie ever gets paved over you'll feel its wrath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Not exact, but I've had about 15-16". I had 4" in the late November storm, just over 6" on December 28th and a few 1-2" events in the last couple weeks. Definitely below normal, though Mitchell Airport is not that much below normal. So not terrible, yes below normal but there are far worse values out there even in state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 And it makes perfect meteorological sense....rapidly deepening storms that would normally be our bombs get transferred towards the coast due to the existence of the thermal contrast induced baroclinic zone. It makes sense. I need to move. The end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Man, you've really got a weird obsession with trying to deny the existence of a sort of "snow-shadow" W of the Apps. I've seen mets talk about in AFDs or in HPC discussions. It's a real thing. And if Lake Erie ever gets paved over you'll feel its wrath.It's simply not true. And I just proved it with actual data...Explain to me how Pittsburgh has such a higher annual snowfall than places with similar latitudes including the eastern seaboard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 It's simply not true. And I just proved it with actual data... Explain to me how Pittsburgh has such a higher annual snowfall than places with similar latitudes including the eastern seaboard? But you haven really proven anything relevant to the discussion that areas west of the mountains are dead-zones for big storms. Seasonal snowfall data can't prove or disprove that. Boston and Detroit are roughly at the same latitude and receive roughly the same amount of snow per season, but how they get there is drastically different. The propensity for Boston to have more large snowstorms (and Detroit to have many fewer) is not going to reflected in that data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 I know it's correct per the 1981-2010 normals but I have to say that Pittsburgh number is surprisingly high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerball Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 But you haven really proven anything relevant to the discussion that areas west of the mountains are dead-zones for big storms. Seasonal snowfall data can't prove or disprove that. Boston and Detroit are roughly at the same latitude and receive roughly the same amount of snow per season, but how they get there is drastically different. The propensity for Boston to have more large snowstorms (and Detroit to have many fewer) is not going to reflected in that data. ^^^You got it with the bolded. It's longitude that the problem (as far as frequency of large snowstorms between Boston, Chicago and Detroit), not latitude... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerball Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 I feel bad for complaining too much, but I'm still in a snow hole regionally speaking. The airport has outdone my total in pretty much every decent snow this year, and now I got a dusting last night while Merton in the next county over, Waukesha, received 7". Just seems brutal, even though it's nothing compared to what Ohio posters are going through. Most areas are below normal to-date (including Chicago and Detroit), so it's not like your area is experiencing anything unique from the rest of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 It's simply not true. And I just proved it with actual data... Explain to me how Pittsburgh has such a higher annual snowfall than places with similar latitudes including the eastern seaboard? Really? Pittsburgh has higher totals because they get nickels and dimes of lake effect snow showers and snow squalls from the lakes. It's quite common for them to get 1 inch dropping snow squalls (that snarl traffic on those hills) that develop from a bit of orographic lift. Other than that, they are part of the "snow desert" that we speak of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Most areas are below normal to-date (including Chicago and Detroit), so it's not like your area is experiencing anything unique from the rest of us. ORD is technically still above average by about 3". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 And it makes perfect meteorological sense....rapidly deepening storms that would normally be our bombs get transferred towards the coast due to the existence of the thermal contrast induced baroclinic zone. It makes sense. I need to move. The end. But you haven really proven anything relevant to the discussion that areas west of the mountains are dead-zones for big storms. Seasonal snowfall data can't prove or disprove that. Boston and Detroit are roughly at the same latitude and receive roughly the same amount of snow per season, but how they get there is drastically different. The propensity for Boston to have more large snowstorms (and Detroit to have many fewer) is not going to reflected in that data. I agree with both of these. While "big dogs" are much more rare west of the Apps for reasons you already mentioned. Just wanted to show that areas west of the Apps are not complete synoptic deserts as the examples prove for places of similar latitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Really? Pittsburgh has higher totals because they get nickels and dimes of lake effect snow showers and snow squalls from the lakes. It's quite common for them to get 1 inch dropping snow squalls (that snarl traffic on those hills) that develop from a bit of orographic lift. Other than that, they are part of the "snow desert" that we speak of. Pittsburgh does nickle and dime itself via synoptic/clipper systems. They don't receive to much of their yearly snowfall from Lake effect being so far away from lake influences. The orographic lift stuff I agree with. My uncle and aunt lived there for a decade and used to visit them all the time, I know their climate. And they can receive "big dogs" while being the closest city to the App. desert... http://www.weather.gov/media/pbz/records/snow.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerball Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 ORD is technically still above average by about 3". True. I keep forgetting that ORD has gotten in on more action than much of the city proper and the southern metro area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 I think the lack of activity is getting to us. At least mid feb on looks decent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Pittsburgh has had 2 snowfalls of over 20" in the last 25 years. 25.6" in 1993 and 21.1" in 2010 Just thought I would throw that out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Pittsburgh has had 2 snowfalls of over 20" in the last 25 years. 25.6" in 1993 and 21.1" in 2010 Just thought I would throw that out there. And DC has 2 in its history? Barely 2 at that... Philly only has 5 as well. 1. 28.0” (January 27-29, 1922) 2. 20.0” (February 12-14, 1899) 3. 18.7” (February 18-19, 1979) T4. 17.8" (January 22-23, 2016) T4. 17.8” (February 5-6, 2010) 6. 17.3” (January 7-9, 1996) 7. 16.6” (February 10-11, 1983) 8. 16.4” (December 18-19, 2009) 9. 16.4” (February 16-18, 2003) 10. 14.4” (February 15-16, 1958 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Pittsburgh does nickle and dime itself via synoptic/clipper systems. They don't receive to much of their yearly snowfall from Lake effect being so far away from lake influences. The orographic lift stuff I agree with. My uncle and aunt lived there for a decade and used to visit them all the time, I know their climate. And they can receive "big dogs" while being the closest city to the App. desert... http://www.weather.gov/media/pbz/records/snow.pdf They are plenty close enough for lake influences. The orographic lift is connected to moisture coming off the Great Lakes. There have been many squalls that move down through Pittsburgh on a strong N or NW wind. Hundreds of miles away down in the NC mountains they have lake influences connected to orograpic lift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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