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Tracking One Of The Coldest Days Of Winter January 8, 2015


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The models are indicating that NYC could make a run at the first back to back winters with

single digit lows since 2004-2005.

 

 

Annual low temperatures at Central Park since 1950:

 

Year....Annual Minimum Temperature...5 degrees or lower years bolded

 

2015....8

2014...4

2013...11
2012...13
2011...6
2010..13
2009...6
2008..10
2007...8
2006...15
2005...5
2004...1
2003..7
2002..19
2001...16
2000...3
1999...9
1998...14
1997...4
1996...5
1995...6
1994...-2
1993...7
1992...11
1991...10
1990...7
1989...6
1988...5
1987...4
1986...8
1985...-2
1984...8
1983..4
1982...0
1981...2
1980...-1
1979...0
1978...10
1977...-2
1976...-1
1975...15
1974...6
1973...7
1972...5
1971...4
1970...3
1969...11
1968...-1
1967...4
1966...8
1965...9
1964...9
1963...-2
1962....4
1961...-2
1960...8
1959...7
1958...3
1957...0
1956...14
1955...0
1954...7
1953...14
1952...8
1951...8
1950...5
 

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The -28C predicted for the 850mb should really get us to zero, but this looks like a quick hitter and there will be no snow on ground beforehand if clipper fails us.   Therefore the potential is somewhat blunted and I will go with a low of +6F [ dp. of -6F] as indicated on IPS.   Also note the tendency on the colder GFS runs to have an  absence of precipitation.  Latest run was dry.

Also GFSx seems high at 12F and not compatible with the -28C 850mb.

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The -28C predicted for the 850mb should really get us to zero, but this looks like a quick hitter and there will be no snow on ground beforehand if clipper fails us.   Therefore the potential is somewhat blunted and I will go with a low of +6F [ dp. of -6F] as indicated on IPS.   Also note the tendency on the colder GFS runs to have an  absence of precipitation.  Latest run was dry.

Also GFSx seems high at 12F and not compatible with the -28C 850mb.

The parallel version probably is high and a worse performance than the GFS probably wouldn't be surprising. The current version continues to outperform the parallel both at 0z and 12z.

 

Temperature verification scores:

 

0z:

GFS: .829

PRX: .824

 

12z:

GFS: .820

PRX: .813

 

So far, the planned 1/14 implementation date hasn't been postponed, even as a consistent and broad based performance deficit relative to the current GFS would argue strongly for a delayed implementation until the issues are addressed. it is possible that the "sunk cost fallacy" may prevail and the new version could be implemented despite the consistently poorer scores on most and frequently all the variables. Under the sunk cost fallacy, time and cost related to creating the new version (all of which can't be reversed, hence the term "sunk cost") would outweigh the verification gap in driving the decision to go ahead with the implementation. Hopefully, that won't be the case, but we're now less than two weeks away and the implementation date remains unchanged.

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years with three or more cold waves that dropped temperatures into the single digits...
season...Cold waves and days in single digits...
1947-48...................6..........9
1960-61...................5..........9
1962-63...................4..........6
1967-68...................4..........8
1976-77...................4..........8
1980-81...................4..........7
1981-82...................4..........7
1987-88...................4..........5
1993-94...................4..........9
2002-03...................4..........6

2013-14...................4..........7
1966-67...................3..........5
1969-70...................3..........6
1970-71...................3..........7
1978-79...................3..........9
1989-90...................3..........5
1999-00...................3..........4
2003-04...................3..........8
2004-05...................3..........8
since 1947-48 the most days in single digits is nine set in 1947-48, 1960-61, 1993-94, 1978-79...The most cold waves with single digit temperatures was set in 1947-48 with six...

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years with three or more cold waves that dropped temperatures into the single digits...

season...Cold waves and days in single digits...

1947-48...................6..........9

1960-61...................5..........9

1962-63...................4..........6

1967-68...................4..........8

1976-77...................4..........8

1980-81...................4..........7

1981-82...................4..........7

1987-88...................4..........5

1993-94...................4..........9

2002-03...................4..........6

2013-14...................4..........7

1966-67...................3..........5

1969-70...................3..........6

1970-71...................3..........7

1978-79...................3..........9

1989-90...................3..........5

1999-00...................3..........4

2003-04...................3..........8

2004-05...................3..........8

since 1947-48 the most days in single digits is nine set in 1947-48, 1960-61, 1993-94, 1978-79...The most cold waves with single digit temperatures was set in 1947-48 with six...

 

Last January was different compared to earlier Januaries with 5 or more single digit days in that the thaw between

the early and late month days was so pronounced.

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Latest SREF Plumes are tightly packed at a low of +2 to +8 on Thurs. morning, so go with +5.    The plumes for Tues. 'snow' are more varied at  .25" to 3.0", so go with 1.5".  Snow activity for just 6-8 hours, with only half of the period probably good for accumalations.

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Seems like as we get closer the cold air tends to ease up. Upton going with 9/20 now on Thursday. EWR probably makes it into the low 20s and theres a chance most NYC stations stay above 10

I like to use the nam for temps...it seems to do pretty well... looks like it has us close to 10 degrees already by 10 pm Wednesday night and mid to high single digits for Thursday morning.... keeps us mostly in teens on Thursday.

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I like to use the nam for temps...it seems to do pretty well... looks like it has us close to 10 degrees already by 10 pm Wednesday night and mid to high single digits for Thursday morning.... keeps us mostly in teens on Thursday.

 

If the low Thursday morning is 9F, that will be two years in a row for the same date, Jan. 8th (in Central Park).

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just like models can underestimate convective rainfall in the warm season i think they will underestimate today's convective snow. some lucky spots could get 1-2"

I can see a dark cloud moving in here from my NW. Looks fairly robust on radar. Should move over the NE corner of NJ and then into the city.

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