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Christmas Grinch Storm Potential


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HIGH IMPACT WEATHER POTENTIAL: ALL SORTS OF POTENTIAL HAZARDS   DEPENDING ON THE EVENTUAL EVOLUTION OF OUR MIDWEEK SYSTEM. LOCALIZED   HEAVIER RAINS...HEAVIER SNOW...AND VERY STRONG WINDS ARE ALL   POSSIBLE DURING THE TUESDAY-CHRISTMAS DAY PERIOD. A CAUTIONARY TALE:   DESPITE SOME MEDIA HYPE OF LATE...NO ONE SOLUTION APPEARS FAVORED   OVER THE OTHER JUST YET...AND ALL SCENARIOS ARE ON THE TABLE AS FAR   AS THIS STORM SYSTEM GOES...INCLUDING AT LEAST THE SMALL POTENTIAL   FOR A MAJOR SNOWSTORM FOR PARTS OF NORTHERN MICHIGAN.    ALL EYES ARE OF COURSE ON THE EVOLUTION OF OUR CHRISTMAS WEEK STORM   SYSTEM...WITH STILL QUITE A BIT OF UNCERTAINTY REGARDING THE   ULTIMATED EVOLUTION OF SAID SYSTEM. THIS UNCERTAINTY CAN BE TIED   DIRECTLY TO THE CLIMATOLOGICALLY RARE STRONG PACIFIC JET AND   SHORTWAVE TRAIN ROARING INTO THE LOWER 48 DURING THIS TIME...WITH   EVEN FORECAST ANALOGS HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME IN PICKING OUT ANY   SIMILAR SETUPS OVER THE PAST 35 YEARS (SEE CIPS GUIDANCE WITH VERY   LOW CORRELATION SCORES...SOME EVEN NEGATIVE!) ALL OF THIS IS TO SAY   THAT THINGS REMAIN CHANGEABLE OVER THE COMING DAYS AND ONE SHOULD   COUNT ON CHANGES IN CURRENT FORECAST EXPECTATIONS.     THE OVERALL PATTERN SETUP IS AS SUCH: LEAD STRONGER SHORTWAVE SOUTH   OF THE ALEUTIANS CURRENTLY WILL GET PLOWED ASHORE SUNDAY NIGHT/   MONDAY AS 180 KNOT PACIFIC JET ROLLS INLAND...LEADING TO RAPID   TROUGH AMPLIFICATION THROUGH THE PLAINS AND MID MISS VALLEY.   ADDITIONAL SHORTWAVE ENERGY IN THE PACIFIC WAVE TRAIN WILL GET   PUNTED INTO THAT DEVELOPING TROUGH COME TUESDAY...HELPING FURTHER   AMPLIFY THE MID-CONUS TROUGH AND EVENTUALLY LEADING TO THIS FEATURE   TAKING ON A STRONGLY NEGATIVE TILT. OF COURSE...THE ATMOSPHERE HAS   TO RESPOND TO SUCH A DRASTIC AND RAPID CHANGE AND IT WILL DO SO BY   FIRST INCITING CYCLOGENESIS OVER THE NORTHERN PLAINS MONDAY BENEATH   A CORE OF ENHANCED UPPER DIVERGENCE. THAT SYSTEM WILL FILL AS IT   DRIFTS TOWARD THE WESTERN LAKES AND ALL FURTHER UPPER SUPPORT SHIFTS   SOMEWHERE TOWARD THE TENNESSEE VALLEY OR MID ATLANTIC STATES...IN   LINE WITH TREMENDOUS UPPER JET DIVERGENCE DEVELOPING OVER THAT   REGION. IN FACT...VERY INTERESTING TO NOTE SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THE   JANUARY 1978 JET SETUP AND THIS ONE AS MODELED BY THE ECMWF WITH   CONTINUITY THE PAST 24 HOURS. THE DIFFERENCE THIS GO AROUND IS A   SEVERE LACK OF UPSTREAM COLD AIR BEING SUCKED INTO THIS SYSTEM...   SUCH THAT THE SURFACE LOW TRACK WILL HAVE HUGE RAMIFICATIONS AS TO   EXACTLY WHAT SPOTS SEE VARIOUS TYPES OF PRECIPITATION. GIVE THE LACK   OF ANY BLOCKING HIGH...DON'T FORESEE ANY FREEZING RAIN/SLEET THREAT   WITH THIS SETUP...BUT MORE OF A RAIN OR SNOW SCENARIO...WITH AT   LEAST THE POTENTIAL THAT SOME SPOTS (EVEN IN OUR CWA) COULD SEE   APPRECIABLE SNOWFALL BY THE TIME CHRISTMAS DAY ARRIVES.     A LOOK AT THE DETAILS...WHICH AGAIN ARE LIKELY TO CHANGE OVER THE   COMING DAYS.     MONDAY-TUESDAY: PRECIP THREAT ENDS QUICKLY MONDAY MORNING AS MID   LEVELS AND MAYBE EVEN THE LOW LEVELS DRY OUT BRIEFLY. HOWEVER...   NORTHERN STREAM OCCLUDING LOW LEVEL CYCLONE LOOKS TO LIFT ITS   OCCLUDED FRONT TOWARD THE REGION INTO MONDAY EVENING/NIGHT...WITH A   BRIEF SURGE OF BOTH WARM ADVECTION ASCENT FURTHER ALOFT AND ENHANCED   MID LEVEL DIFLUENCE MOST LIKELY DRIVING A BAND OF PRECIP THROUGH THE   AREA. LOOKING LIKE A MOSTLY RAIN SCENARIO FOR NORTHERN LOWER NO   MATTER YOUR MODEL OF CHOICE...WITH EVEN THE CONSISTENT ECMWF PEGGING   A WARMER BOUNDARY LAYER SUFFICIENT TO MELT SNOWFLAKES OVER MUCH OF   NORTHERN LOWER. EASTERN UPPER MAY BE MORE OF A SNOW TO RAIN   TRANSITION INTO TUESDAY AS THE MID LEVEL TROWAL FEATURE ELONGATES   NEARBY WHILE THE REALLY DYNAMIC SHOW GETS UNDERWAY THROUGH THE   SOUTHERN PLAINS AND SOUTHEAST STATES INTO TUESDAY EVENING.      TUESDAY NIGHT-WEDNESDAY: THE PERIOD OF MOST UNCERTAINTY AS WE AWAIT   TO SEE THE EVOLUTION OF THE KICKER SHORTWAVE DIVING THROUGH THE   SOUTHERN PLAINS. THAT LITTLE FEATURE WILL BE OF KEY INTEREST AS IT   WILL DETERMINE THE SPEED AT WHICH OUR MID LEVEL CYCLONE CLOSES   OFF...THUS MODULATING THE NORTH AND WESTWARD EXTENT OF THE SURFACE   CYCLONE. HARD TO IGNORE THE CONTINUITY OF THE ECMWF AND TO SOME   EXTENT THE GGEM...THOUGH A PEEK AT THEIR VARIOUS ENSEMBLES STILL   LOOKS LIKE A DART BOARD PEPPERED WITH NUMEROUS POSSIBLE SURFACE LOW   LOCATIONS. ALL TOLD...GUT FEELING IN THIS WHOLE SITUATION IS THAT   MUCH OF NORTHERN MICHIGAN WILL EXPERIENCE MAINLY RAIN THROUGH   WEDNESDAY...AS EVEN A LAKE HURON TRACK WILL WRAP BACK SIGNIFICANT   WARM AIR DOWN LOW. WILL CONTINUE TO TREND THE FORECAST IN THAT   DIRECTION...WITH SURFACE TEMPS PERHAPS EVEN SURGING WELL INTO THE   40S (MAYBE EVEN A 50 FAR SOUTHEAST?) SHOULD A MORE WESTERN TRACK   VERIFY.     CHRISTMAS EVE (WEDNESDAY NIGHT)-CHRISTMAS DAY AND INTO FRIDAY: RAPID   DEEPENING OF THE SURFACE LOW SOMEWHERE NEARBY (DOESN'T REALLY MATTER   EXACTLY WHERE BY THIS POINT) SHOULD WRAP COLD AIR BACK INTO THE   REGION QUICKLY...CHANGING PRECIP BACK OVER TO SNOW. ALL THE WHILE...   A VERY TIGHT GRADIENT AND QUICK BURST OF COLD ADVECTION HAS THE   POTENTIAL TO BRING SOME VERY STRONG WINDS...WITH SOME DOWNRIGHT   NASTY TRAVEL CERTAINLY POSSIBLE CHRISTMAS MORNING. THAT SHOULD WIND   DOWN THROUGH THE DAY BUT WITH WIND CONDITIONS PERSISTING INTO THE   EVENING. COULD BE A LITTLE LAKE EFFECT INTO FRIDAY THOUGH THE EXTENT   OF COLD AIR IN THE WAKE OF OUR SYSTEM REMAINS IN QUESTION. HONESTLY   NOT THAT WORRIED THAT FAR OUT (PLENTY TO DEAL WITH ALREADY)...THOUGH   THE OVERALL TREND DOES APPEAR TO BE FOR COLDER CONDITIONS TO MAKE A   RETURN AS WE HEAD TOWARD THE TAIL END OF THE MONTH.  
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I think the punt signal is pretty loud for the eastern MI signal. Frankly it's got that cold rain stank all over it here as well. There just isn't enough cold air for the spread the wealth kind of defo and given the 850 picture, the best snows will end up well to my N and W. 

 

RFD to Moneyman is where you want to be.

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wagons west folks

 

No brainer. As mentioned many times, a near bomb usually means actual track ends up left of early iterations. Not a prolific snow maker anyway, dependent on backlash, but I always knew that I would see predominantly rain with some wind whipped flurries/showers at the end.

 

Good luck to those who end up cold enough for snow and also those who end up in wind warning areas.

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No brainer. As mentioned many times, a near bomb usually means actual track ends up left of early iterations. Not a prolific snow maker anyway, dependent on backlash, but I always knew that I would see predominantly rain with some wind whipped flurries/showers at the end.

 

Good luck to those who end up cold enough for snow and also those who end up in wind warning areas.

 

 

IMO this is going to trend towards a stronger, more expansive defo band as the trend towards quicker cyclogenesis of the southern  low continues. The 6z GEFS ensembles continue to support the recent trends. This type intensity/qpf jump with relative agreement is noteworthy. Lots of solid hits, many more decent defo bands, and red flags for rain all over.

 

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yep, this one is over for the ohio crowd, not that it was ever looking that good to begin with but with such a forecasted dynamic system in the neighborhood, some kind of interesting weather might have been realized.  Now it looks like lots of rain, seasonable cold front passage and mood flakes late xmas eve.

 

Goodluck to those in a better position.  Seriously hope someone in our subforum gets hit with this, shame to waste such an awesome trough.

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I think the punt signal is pretty loud for the eastern MI signal. Frankly it's got that cold rain stank all over it here as well. There just isn't enough cold air for the spread the wealth kind of defo and given the 850 picture, the best snows will end up well to my N and W.

RFD to Moneyman is where you want to be.

Pretty bold call this far out on all rain here. Certainly can't rule it out that it cuts over us but don't know if I'd call the 6z GEFS a clear trend and a favorable track for a flip to wind whipped heavy wet snow remains on the table. But do agree this sort of negatively tilted trough lends to a farther west track than some of the initial guidance was suggesting. Should be another interesting day of model watching.
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Pretty bold call this far out on all rain here. Certainly can't rule it out that it cuts over us but don't know if I'd call the 6z GEFS a clear trend and a favorable track for a flip to wind whipped heavy wet snow remains on the table. But do agree this sort of negatively tilted trough lends to a farther west track than some of the initial guidance was suggesting. Should be another interesting day of model watching.

 

 

I'm not taking it to the bank or anything but this one checks a couple key rain boxes, notably a garbage antecedent airmass, probability of a massive warm tongue associated with the strongly negatively tilted trough, and sloppy look at 850. On the plus side, good things can happen when a low undergoing rapid deepening cuts NNE just to your east.

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I'm not taking it to the bank or anything but this one checks a couple key rain boxes, notably a garbage antecedent airmass, probability of a massive warm tongue associated with the strongly negatively tilted trough, and sloppy look at 850. On the plus side, good things can happen when a low undergoing rapid deepening cuts NNE just to your east.

Agreed with those thoughts. Due to the bad antecedent airmass it's gonna have to take a good track for here. Even the 06z OP GFS cuts it close with what would typically be a pretty good track for Chicago, with a good demonstration of the warm tongue you alluded to at H85.

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Agreed with those thoughts. Due to the bad antecedent airmass it's gonna have to take a good track for here. Even the 06z OP GFS cuts it close with what would typically be a pretty good track for Chicago, with a good demonstration of the warm tongue you alluded to at H85.

 

 

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Agreed with those thoughts. Due to the bad antecedent airmass it's gonna have to take a good track for here. Even the 06z OP GFS cuts it close with what would typically be a pretty good track for Chicago, with a good demonstration of the warm tongue you alluded to at H85.

Too many unknowns as to how much snow those west of the L get, but do you agree the wraparound signal is pretty strong for many?

 

It would be interesting to see heavy snow falling in northern Ohio while heavy rain is falling in the UP of MI, but that certainly seems to be a possibility as well. Unusual storm all around.

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Too many unknowns as to how much snow those west of the L get, but do you agree the wraparound signal is pretty strong for many?

It would be interesting to see heavy snow falling in northern Ohio while heavy rain is falling in the UP of MI, but that certainly seems to be a possibility as well. Unusual storm all around.

Wraparound can be pretty finicky and often produces less than expected, but the strength of the occluding ULL does lend to a decent potential for at least some accumulations. There's a good signal for large scale lift (mid-upper Q vector divergence) on the southwest flank of the ULL. The intense deformation axis is going to do most of the work in this setup. Seeing huge frontogenesis and omega values.

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Getting close to punt time this far east. Would be shocked if the EURO doesn't come west a bit.

 

 

Its a piss tank! Then we can enjoy some flurries and cold winds on Christmas. How amusing. 

 

To make matters worse, the GFS killed off the second storm advertised on earlier runs so it seems like were going to end December on a silent note, expect for the surprise snowstorm on Dec 11. 

I will be in Kitchener on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day. Judging by the latest Euro, I have a reasonable chance of seeing accumulating snow on Christmas Day.

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