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Approximate date of the 1st Severe Thunderstorm Watch for your given CWA.... any takers?

 

Got to get some severe talk going soon.....

 

April 8th.

 

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GFS showing some LES coming in the next 48 hours and a OV snow system.

 

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Definitely some winter fatigue setting in personally. Feel like we've squeezed out every drop of goodness 2012-13 could offer in the month of February and there's really nothing left to give. Whether the 8.5" I average from here on out, usually deposited in scattered, inconsequential amounts, materialize or not will be irrelevant l to how I assess this winter. It's a solid B/B-.

 

Obviously I'll still be amenable to a major snowstorm, unlikely as that may be. But if we Morch tomorrow, you won't find me lamenting its arrival in the complaint thread.

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The warmup looks best the farther west... Looks very brief. Thumbs up to keeping that Michigan snowpack.

How about giving us some more proof.

Oh wait, you tried that before.

I didnt realize people still wishcasted.

Did you suffer a stroke or something? Go to hour 180, then skip to hour 192... That's the best tools we have in 2013.

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The CFS, which did very well last year with a few weeks lead time in predicting the historic Morch, is painting an entirely different tune  for this March with its final daily run of February: 

 

CFSv2.NaT2m.20130228.201303.gif

 

Here's the average of the 2/18-2/27 forecasts: 

 

usT2mMonInd1.gif

Based on these and the CFS performance with a similar lead time last year, I'd be surprised if March ends up any more than slightly above normal. It appears that CPC has keyed on to the colder signal, as they've completely changed their tune with the 0 lead time monthly outlook compared to what was issued on 2/21: http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/30day/off15_temp.gif VS http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/30day/off14_temp.gif

 

I thought then that they were way too warm with their outlook and this latest one looks much more reasonable IMO. 

 

Regarding teleconnections, the 12z GEFS keeps the NAO and AO negative through mid month (though trending slightly higher toward then), flips to a negative PNA, but also has only a brief spurt of a weakly positive EPO after the current period: http://raleighwx.americanwx.com/models/12zensindices.html

 

The European and Canadian ENS are similar with the NAO and the Canadian only has a brief very weakly positive EPO. It appears that the best chance at a brief warm-up is probably around when most have mentioned, 3/7-3/10 or thereabouts, as there is decent ensemble support for the PNA flipping negative and a brief period of positive EPO. But then should the signals on the ensembles pan out, it should flip back to a colder than normal pattern shortly after. 

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Did you suffer a stroke or something? Go to hour 180, then skip to hour 192... That's the best tools we have in 2013.

How about checking out the teleconnections? Last I checked those were tools as well.

RCNY just straightened that out pretty clearly.

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Definitely some winter fatigue setting in personally. Feel like we've squeezed out every drop of goodness 2012-13 could offer in the month of February and there's really nothing left to give. Whether the 8.5" I average from here on out, usually deposited in scattered, inconsequential amounts, materialize or not will be irrelevant l to how I assess this winter. It's a solid B/B-.

 

Obviously I'll still be amenable to a major snowstorm, unlikely as that may be. But if we Morch tomorrow, you won't find me lamenting its arrival in the complaint thread.

As I posted in the February thread, I wouldn't mind a March with a blend of 1870,1960,1984 and 2008.

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Definitely some winter fatigue setting in personally. Feel like we've squeezed out every drop of goodness 2012-13 could offer in the month of February and there's really nothing left to give. Whether the 8.5" I average from here on out, usually deposited in scattered, inconsequential amounts, materialize or not will be irrelevant l to how I assess this winter. It's a solid B/B-.

 

Obviously I'll still be amenable to a major snowstorm, unlikely as that may be. But if we Morch tomorrow, you won't find me lamenting its arrival in the complaint thread.

 

Yeah i cant rate this winter any lower than a B, its been an amazing winter despite a sort of wacky start like the past few years but anything can happen and February ended up way above normal. If we can squeeze in a decent storm for March Standards (4-5") i'll be happy. One last one. Then i'll be ready for Spring. 

 

Certainly if a repeat of march 1870 happened, i'd be freaking my ass out. haha  or like the april 2002 ice storm i believe. 

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Yeah i cant rate this winter any lower than a B, its been an amazing winter despite a sort of wacky start like the past few years but anything can happen and February ended up way above normal. If we can squeeze in a decent storm for March Standards (4-5") i'll be happy. One last one. Then i'll be ready for Spring. 

 

Certainly if a repeat of march 1870 happened, i'd be freaking my ass out. haha  or like the april 2002 ice storm i believe. 

 

Ice storm was April 3-5, 2003.

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I would take a repeat of March 1877...

 

Milwaukee

Date        MaxT  MinT  Pcpn  Snow  Snwg

 

03/01/1877    39    21  0.09   0.9     M
03/02/1877    35    23  0.77   5.5     M
03/03/1877    25    13  0.15   1.5     M
03/04/1877    25     4  0.00   0.0     M
03/05/1877    19     7  0.00   0.0     M
03/06/1877    35     3     T   0.0     M
03/07/1877    26     9  0.45   4.5     M
03/08/1877    22    14  0.41   4.1     M
03/09/1877    14     5  0.00   0.0     M
03/10/1877    19    -3  0.00   0.0     M
03/11/1877    30    11  0.39   3.9     M
03/12/1877    30    22  0.88   7.9     M
03/13/1877    35    12  0.00   0.0     M
03/14/1877    31    13  0.13   1.3     M
03/15/1877    25     2  0.00   0.0     M
03/16/1877    25    13  0.71   7.1     M
03/17/1877    26     5  0.32   3.2     M
03/18/1877    23    11  0.00   0.0     M
03/19/1877    25    17  0.55   5.5     M
03/20/1877    27    12  0.09   0.9     M
03/21/1877    37    21  0.02   0.2     M
03/22/1877    50    22  0.00   0.0     M
03/23/1877    23    16  0.00   0.0     M
03/24/1877    25    18  0.00   0.0     M
03/25/1877    29    13  0.00   0.0     M
03/26/1877    39    18  0.00   0.0     M
03/27/1877    44    29  0.00   0.0     M
03/28/1877    35    27  0.00   0.0     M
03/29/1877    35    22  0.00   0.0     M
03/30/1877    38    24  0.24   0.0     M
03/31/1877    46    34  0.33   0.0     M
 
or just this 3 day stretch from March 1881
 
03/03/1881    25    18  1.79  17.9     M
03/04/1881    28    16  0.76   7.6     M
03/05/1881    31    23  0.19   1.9     M
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Approximate date of the 1st Severe Thunderstorm Watch for your given CWA.... any takers?

 

Got to get some severe talk going soon.....

 I will go with.....

 

April 10th.  Hedging things a bit.  I think March will not be anywhere near what last year was, and I think, sometime in the first 1/3 of April we get one of those warm fronts that takes us up to the 70's for a day or two, and then we get a cold front that gives us 4-5 days of upper 40's... we'll get our first severe out of that...

 

As good a guess as any.

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