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December 20-22 Winter Storm (Blizzard?) Potential


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Need the low ahead of it to bring down some colder air which could help for a further SE track. Doesn't look good as a the trend with stronger storms is usually more NW than SE.

^This is key!

BTW, anyone else seeing Model Data crossed out on the wundermap page?

Yeah I noticed some issues. ...Images seem to be coming through better now.

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not always. 0z was stronger and further southeast of the 12z run. Will depend on where the wave ejects after crossing the rockies. Friend of mine thinks the dump of cold air into the plains is underdone and wouldn't be shocked if the sfc low came out 100 miles further south.

Nothing is set in stone but the wave ahead looks pretty anemic to me and given the WAA being shown...i'd take another 50-100 miles north onto any solution. Chicago needs a pretty large SE shift to get back in this game....plenty of time but i'm not all that confident.

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St Louis looks to get screwed like usual. How does the severe wx potential look ..looks like if the ingredients are there St Louis could be in line for that. Yay

IWX was talking about a forced convective line if this general scenario plays out. As far as severe, I doubt anything widespread/significant at least this far north.

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impressive WAA being shown....this has the look of a classic northwest trender

You certainly could be right, but I wonder how far northwest it would be able to trend, because the system will be running into a strong west based block:

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The December 11-12 2010 storm that gave the Minneapolis area a crippling snowstorm tracked right over northern IL and had a similarly positioned Arctic high pressure building in behind it:

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The NAO was negative in this case, but positioned much farther east over southern Greenland:

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It'll be very interesting to track this system over the next few days. Of course we're still 132 hours out, so a lot can and will likely change.

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Hoping for the best for everyone in this forum, but by the sound of it, Toronto will get mainly rain out of this, a real bummber just before Christmas. At least I spend Christmas in Kitchener, Ontario where there's a greater chance of a white Christmas due to lake effect.

Poorl uck when you consider that there are three systems this week and that all three of them will give rain to Toronto.

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You certainly could be right, but I wonder how far northwest it would be able to trend, because the system will be running into a strong west based block:

Potentially impressive severe weather look for the Deep South, aside from timing, the H5 jet looks significantly potent.

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You certainly could be right, but I wonder how far northwest it would be able to trend, because the system will be running into a strong west based block:

The December 11-12 2010 storm that gave the Minneapolis area a crippling snowstorm tracked right over northern IL and had a similarly positioned Arctic high pressure building in behind it:

The NAO was negative in this case, but positioned much farther east over southern Greenland:

It'll be very interesting to track this system over the next few days. Of course we're still 132 hours out, so a lot can and will likely change.

That strong west based block is really the only hope for those in much of Indiana and Ohio. I still think even Chicago stays fairly rainy, but at least there's a strong storm to track.

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DVN

WEDNESDAY THROUGH SATURDAY...ALL EYES TURN TO THIS PERIOD AND HOW

ENERGY EJECTING OUT OF THE FRESHLY ARRIVED WESTERN CONUS L/W TROF OR

BULK OF THE TROF ITSELF PUSHES ACRS THE MID CONUS WED THROUGH FRI

FOR A POTENTIAL SIGNIFICANT WINTER STORM SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDWEST.

THE VARIOUS MEDIUM RANGE SOLUTIONS VARYING QUIET A BIT AND WILL

PROBABLY TAKE 1-3 DAYS MORE OF FURTHER MODEL RUNS TO GET MORE

CONFIDENCE WHERE LIKELY LLVL LOW OR MID LEVEL LOW WILL

PROGRESS/TRACK. THE 12Z GFS IS THE FURTHEST NORTH AND WEST AND

SUGGESTS THE BULK OF THE WINTER STORM/ACCUM SNOW TO REMAIN TO THE

NORTHWEST/NORTH OF THE LOCAL CWA WED INTO THU. IT DOES HAVE AN

INTENSIFYING LLVL COLD CONVEYOR WRAPPING ACRS THE AREA FOR A SWITCH

OVER TO PRODUCE 1-3 INCHES OF SNOW IN PORTIONS OF THE CWA LATE WED

NIGHT INTO EARLY THU MORNING...BUT MORE OF A STORY WOULD BE INTENSE

CYCLONIC FLOW INDUCING WIND ADVISORY CRITERIA NORTHWEST WINDS OF 25

TO 35 WITH GUSTS WELL OVER 40 MPH ON THU. THE CANADIAN GEM SEEMS TO

BE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT NEG AO/NAO TRENDS WITH IT/S DEEP PHASING

SCENARIO...SO DEEP OF A TROF PHASE THAT THE SFC SYSTEM AND IT/S

DEF ZONE PRECIP ROLLS OUT WELL TO THE SOUTHEAST OF THE REGION ACRS

THE OH RVR VALLEY. THEN THERE IS THE OMINOUS ECMWF WHICH FOR TWO

RUNS IN A ROW MAKE A DIRECT HIT/TAKES THE GOLDEN PATH TO IMPACT THE

DVN CWA DIRECTLY WITH A MAJOR WINTER STORM AND PROBABLE BLIZZARD

CONDITIONS LATE WED NIGHT INTO THU. 6 TO 10 INCHES OF SNOW BY 00Z

FRI WITH 25 TO 35 MPH WINDS AND HIGHER GUSTS. FOR NOW WILL GO LIKELY

POPS WED NIGHT WITH A MIX IN THE SOUTHEAST 2/3S AND ALL SNOW IN THE

NORTHWEST 1/3...AND ALL SNOW THU WITH HIGH CHC POPS. LINGERING LIGHT

SNOW TO EXIT BY THU EVENING.

MKX

THIS PERIOD FEATURES THE POTENTIAL FOR A WINTER STORM FOR SOUTHERN

WISCONSIN...BUT THERE IS HUGE MODEL VARIABILITY AT THIS POINT AND

THIS IS CHALLENGING OUR CONFIDENCE. WE HAVE 4 LONG RANGE MODELS TO

LOOK AT FOR A PERIOD THAT FAR OUT. IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE

ENERGY ASSOCIATED WITH THIS LOW IS CURRENTLY WAY OUT IN THE NORTH

PACIFIC...AROUND THE ALEUTIAN ISLANDS AND HAS A LONG WAY TO GO

BEFORE EVOLVING INTO SOMETHING LIKE A SNOW STORM FOR OUR AREA.

ANYWAY...ONE OF THE MODELS /DGEX/ TAKES THE LOW FROM SOUTHWEST

IOWA TO NORTH CENTRAL WISCONSIN. THAT/S A DRIER AND WARM SOLUTION

FOR US. THE NEXT MODEL...GFS...IS FARTHER SOUTH...TRACKING FROM NE

MO TO CENTRAL LAKE MICHIGAN. THIS PUTS OUR AREA IN A WETTER MORE

WINTRY MIX SCENARIO WITH THE HEAVIEST SNOW BAND MOSTLY LIKELY

NORTH OF OUR FORECAST AREA. THE ECMWF MODEL...OFTEN THE MOST

RELIABLE...TAKES THE TRACK FROM ECNTRL MO TO SOUTH OF CHICAGO INTO

LOWER MI. THIS IS A CLASSIC TRACK FOR HEAVY SNOW ACROSS SOUTHERN

WISCONSIN...WITH A MIX ALONG THE LAKE. AND FINALLY...THE GEM

MODEL...CANADIAN...IS REALLY FAR SOUTH...TRACKING FROM THE LOWER

MISSISSIPPI VALLEY TO EASTERN KY. THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A DRY AND

COLD SOLUTION FOR US. AT THIS POINT A COMPROMISE BETWEEN THE GFS

AND ECMWF...WITH A HEAVIER WEIGHTING TOWARD THE ECMWF...SEEMS THE

BEST APPROACH. THIS IS ALSO CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY

FORECASTING...SO LITTLE CHANGE.

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