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I think the Peru site is at 1900'....I know the town center is at 2000' and I believe it's the highest town center center in New England.

I know what you mean about being properly sited....there's so many problems with that all over. Then people just use the one that that suits them...warm or cold bias.

Cold bias ? MRG ? ...... A total impossibility.

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Cold bias ? MRG ? ...... A total impossibility.

It can go either way....and I'm not singling anyone out. You have some sensors in the middle of an evergreen forest that never see the light of day that run cool, then you have the sensors up on the roof that really 'shine' on clear sunny days and spike up. I have a half dozen thermometers in different places and I can see all kinds of readings but I consider my official readings taken in a clearing inside a cotton shelter. I could probably choose any one within a 5-10 degree range if I wanted.

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We all do the best we can. Not everyone can site an insulated aspirated station on the Tarmac

Whose to say which stations are off by how much.

Gosh, my apologies if my comment came across that way....I agree that everyone does the best that they can and there is no way to determine how far a station is off but you can certainly see standouts in the middle of a sunny day.

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Gosh, my apologies if my comment came across that way....I agree that everyone does the best that they can and there is no way to determine how far a station is off but you can certainly see standouts in the middle of a sunny day.

BDL in an aspirated shelter is still in the middle of an asphalt jungle, just off the Tarmac it's 5 degrees cooler, people live not in airports. Always though siting ASOS in CITY airports was part of our climate change.

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Gosh, my apologies if my comment came across that way....I agree that everyone does the best that they can and there is no way to determine how far a station is off but you can certainly see standouts in the middle of a sunny day.

No apology needed. What you said was spot on. My poorly worded response was meant as support of your statement.

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How could a low reading be gained by poor siting? Too many trees?

I could see if it was too high...

Oh you can definitely be up to 10F too cold if you have too many trees around... stick a thermometer in a forest during growing season when there is a thick leaf cover overhead and you'll run very cold during the day... the flip side is you'll likely run a bit warm at night.

I have that problem at my parent's lakehouse in Woodstock, CT... there's really no way around it without clearing trees as the house is in a fairly dense forest with not many openings for sunlight. At that location I run like 5F lower than the ASOS at ORH during max daytime heating and the elevation there is like 790ft or so... if anything it should be 1-2F warmer than ORH there.

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We all do the best we can. Not everyone can site an insulated aspirated station on the Tarmac

Whose to say which stations are off by how much.

Oh certainly... not meaning to say it is done on purpose, not at all. You work with what you are given with but you can certainly tell the difference on sunny days when certain stations are showing like a 10F/1000ft adiabatic rate from other known, regulated stations. On cloudy days it doesn't really matter... also won't matter in the winter once the leaves fall off the trees. The forest will always be cooler than out in the middle of a field on a sunny day.

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Oh certainly... not meaning to say it is done on purpose, not at all. You work with what you are given with but you can certainly tell the difference on sunny days when certain stations are showing like a 10F/1000ft adiabatic rate from other known, regulated stations. On cloudy days it doesn't really matter... also won't matter in the winter once the leaves fall off the trees. The forest will always be cooler than out in the middle of a field on a sunny day.

Which makes me glad I live surrounded by trees and not by buildings.

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Which makes me glad I live surrounded by trees and not by buildings.

Haha yeah... but you probably don't radiate well at night compared with the farmer down the road that has a few trees scattered about with 80% field around him. And I mean who's to say "what is right?" The temperature in the woods or the temperature out in the open? As MetHerb said, you can have a 5-10F variance across your property depending on where your therm is set-up. Its the same thing with measuring snowfall in the winter... measure it after the snow stops or every 6 hours? Of course NOAA needs to come up with some standards for all this, and it is what it is. Its like an 18 hour snowstorm where you take three measurements and get 4", 7", 4" for a total of 15". Your neighbor drops his ruler in the snow when it stops and comes up with 13.2". How much snow actually fell? Just what exactly is the temperature outside? In the woods or in the field?

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How much snow actually fell? Just what exactly is the temperature outside? In the woods or in the field?

Interesting questions and very valid. The snow question gets me because I think it should be reflective of what fell at the end of the storm, but there is value in the every 6 hour measurement as well. In terms of temperature, I try to get a mix of sun and shade because it's reflective of what itfeels like around my house.

Even properly sited the temperature can very up and down a hill...which begs another question - just what is the temperature in my town? Is it my temp or up at 1,200' or down at 450'?

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67/63, a high of 73, back here in reality it was another below normal high, beautiful weather this evening for 18.

lol... that is one amazing climate. I honestly have no horse in this race but I can't believe every other place in New England and NY had an above normal high temp today except for you ;) For example ORH was +4F and BOS was +8F on the high... up here we were +4F at MVL, BTV was +5F, and MPV (1,200ft) was +4F. Mansfield summit was +5F.

Peru at 1,900ft...75F

Becket at 1,400ft...78F

Huntington at 930ft...81F

That's a textbook adiabatic rate.

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lol... that is one amazing climate. I honestly have no horse in this race but I can't believe every other place in New England and NY had an above normal high temp today except for you ;) For example ORH was +4F and BOS was +8F on the high... up here we were +4F at MVL, BTV was +5F, and MPV (1,200ft) was +4F. Mansfield summit was +5F.

Peru at 1,900ft...75F

Becket at 1,400ft...78F

Huntington at 930ft...81F

We had a high of 79F... which was probably like +2 or +3... but I don't know what the actual avg is... probably close to ORH minus a degree or 2... just guessing

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We had a high of 79F... which was probably like +2 or +3... but I don't know what the actual avg is... probably close to ORH minus a degree or 2... just guessing

Yeah that would make sense with ORH's average high being 77F. You'd probably be 75-76F for a +3F to +4F departure on the high temp... consistent with pretty much every climate station except BOS which really torched with +8F.

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lol... that is one amazing climate. I honestly have no horse in this race but I can't believe every other place in New England and NY had an above normal high temp today except for you ;) For example ORH was +4F and BOS was +8F on the high... up here we were +4F at MVL, BTV was +5F, and MPV (1,200ft) was +4F. Mansfield summit was +5F.

Peru at 1,900ft...75F

Becket at 1,400ft...78F

Huntington at 930ft...81F

That's a textbook adiabatic rate.

Well, I wasn't the only one. Chester Hill was 72. I think today it was about lingering cloudiness. Never had good sun today. The Becket number seems right as I work at 2k there and it was about 74 and sunny up top. It is what it is. I know you've followed it for a while. It just runs cool here on the east slope. Nobody has to accept my numbers. There are other nearby stations that illustrate the cool very well. We seem to have lost the Ashfield site. I was always about the same for lows with Steve. Not sure what's going on with his site. Chester Hill is close on day time highs but Shaw Pond now is closest on lows, they're usually a degree or 2 warmer overnight.

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Late run torch fail on last night's Euro. Instead we keep the troughiness much like the 12z ens had yesterday. Nice day 10 cat 5 striking Hatteras too...lol

Models are stronger with the Midwest trough, but it probably means bigger blue balls for SNE..lol.

EC ensembles still in the Gulf, but that could be possible due to members keeping the storm weak and moving it along with the mean low level easterlies.

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lol... that is one amazing climate. I honestly have no horse in this race but I can't believe every other place in New England and NY had an above normal high temp today except for you ;) For example ORH was +4F and BOS was +8F on the high... up here we were +4F at MVL, BTV was +5F, and MPV (1,200ft) was +4F. Mansfield summit was +5F.

Peru at 1,900ft...75F

Becket at 1,400ft...78F

Huntington at 930ft...81F

That's a textbook adiabatic rate.

Shelburne at 1000'....77.8

62.0/61 attm with a lot of fog. Suspect it will burn off quickly though.

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73/66

swamp ass city this morning, text book August weather, no signs of fall, love how okx keeps raising temps everyday :weight_lift: Not a drop of rain last night :( I see Boston was a +8 and Scooter got to 88, summer in full swing. Another day of solid +departures across the board, and with nighttime lows now held up with the higher humidity August is easily in the + (good) side. Very warm all over new england yesterday as powderkeg pointed out, except for one town on the east slope in the small hills of massachusetts.

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Models are stronger with the Midwest trough, but it probably means bigger blue balls for SNE..lol.

EC ensembles still in the Gulf, but that could be possible due to members keeping the storm weak and moving it along with the mean low level easterlies.

AKTY..AS Kevin thought yesterday..This thing may actually want to make a run up at us next weekend

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Oh you can definitely be up to 10F too cold if you have too many trees around... stick a thermometer in a forest during growing season when there is a thick leaf cover overhead and you'll run very cold during the day... the flip side is you'll likely run a bit warm at night.

I have that problem at my parent's lakehouse in Woodstock, CT... there's really no way around it without clearing trees as the house is in a fairly dense forest with not many openings for sunlight. At that location I run like 5F lower than the ASOS at ORH during max daytime heating and the elevation there is like 790ft or so... if anything it should be 1-2F warmer than ORH there.

You just described where i live to a T. The forest determines the temps. It's a perfect example of the definition of a microclimate

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