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Might as well... the SPIRE is inspiring.... Bob Chill 3', DC, Balt 2'

Gotcha that makes sense, that's why the thermals were so much worse with the intial WAA precip, because of the retreating high

Unfortunately for the ATL area, the atmosphere on the 12Z Euro has warmed notably vs the prior 2 runs, especially at/near 850 mb. Thus, the WxBell Euro’s ptype, which is clearly almost all ZR even without looking at soundings, isn’t debatable. The 12Z Euro has ~2.3” qpf of wintry precip, with the vast majority being ZR, falling over a 36 hour period from hour 99 (10 AM Sat 1/24) til hour 135 (10 PM Sun 1/25). The coldest is from Sat evening through the entire night with mid 20s. Fortunately it’s still out 4-5.5 days and obviously a lot can change. This as well as recent runs are in the ballpark of worst case scenarios for there, a colder version of Jan 1973 (which was only barely <32). So, keep hope alive as just about any change would be better than what this run shows. As ominous as this is, it still being out 4-5.5 days leaves notable opportunity for improvement from the worst case.

Don't' go chasing shortwaves, please stick with the clown maps and Bastardi quotes you're used to.

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I saw a groundhog roaming around at Scooter's Coffee(great place on the west end here!) during the middle of winter last week. I should have known we were in trouble then.

1. This will be a very cold setup 2. The storm track won't favor a very windy event

Anyone have the latest Euro sleet/ice map? GA specifically please

Norman is the first office to issue watches for this, many more to come.

The density and structure of snowflakes are influenced by wind. Strong winds can cause sheer forces and collision forces that can break up delicate snowflakes and cause damage to them before they fall to the ground. When a snowflake breaks up, it will typically become much smaller and denser than an intact snowflake because the intact snowflake has significant amount of air trapped within it, which enables snowflakes to be stacked on top of each other. When snowflakes are broken up due to wind, they will lose their structure, making it impossible to stack them. Therefore they will not develop the same amount of height per volume of water as intact snowflakes due to density. As a second point, strong winds often contain turbulent airflows and sublimation. Because they contain a high ratio of surface area to mass, smaller fragments of snowflake are more likely to be partially sublimated away or lifted into the upper atmosphere than intact snowflakes. Thus, much of the snowflakes created by strong winds won't reach the ground where we measure snow accumulation. Thus, the end result is a classic example of meteorological misrepresentation. When looking at radar images and the equivalent liquid from the snowfall, they may appear to be large amounts of moisture, but the awash in total in the ground will be relatively small when compared to the amount of snow that fell as part of the event. This is why windy events tend to produce low totals even when the snow continues to fall steadily.

NWS Pgh discussion Starting to hear alot of chatter about snow this weekend? Lets break down the forecast and discuss some potential outcomes, and have a moment to talk about forecast uncertainty: We like to think about the forecast as a train heading into the rail yard. You start on one track. As you go through time, that one track turns into two, then perhaps four, and eventually, you could end up with tens on potential tracks the train could take as it arrives. Lets think of these tracks as potential scenarios for the weather. You start off the forecast process right now on one track (there is really only one scenario for what's happening right now). Out a couple days, there may be a couple scenarios for what weather might happen. If you go out as far as 5-7 days, the forecast has a good deal of uncertainty with many potential scenarios. Ironically, much of the uncertainty in the weekend storm (most likely to happen between Saturday night and Monday) will come down to "tracks" (not the railroad ones). For simplicity, well break the storm potential down into three scenarios... Scenario #1: The storm track stays well to the south and the area ends up with very little to no snow. This would produce <1" of snow accumulations, if any. This scenario is around 20% likely at this point given current weather prediction guidance. While mostly dry, scenario would be the coldest (temperatures 20-30F below average). Scenario #2: The storm track forms to the south and then curves north as it heads towards the mid-Atlantic region. In this scenario, the region would see snow, but not the worst of the storm. This storm track would produce notable accumulations (likely >1" but <6"). This scenario is around 50% likely at this point given current weather prediction guidance. Scenario #3: The storm track forms to the south then curves up the spine of the Appalachians before reforming off the coast. In this scenario, the region would see the heaviest snow from the storm. This track would produce heavy accumulations (likely >6" to as much as 12"). But this scenario is 30% at this time given current weather prediction guidance. Given the current forecast, here's what we know right now: eastern Ohio and northwest PA have the lowest probability of warning criteria snow (>6"), while the ridges of PA/WV have the highest probability of warning criteria snow). Remember, staying in tune with the forecast will be important, because as we draw closer, we will know more information and gather forecast confidence as we narrow down the amount of potential "tracks" and iron out more specific details of snow amounts and impacts.

Or cornmeal. Jan 27-28, 2015 dumped 20" at our place, all at single-digit temps, and with 2.17" LE - a nice 9:1 ratio. Stuff was nasty to walk thru, like deep soft sand.

Sleet bombs can be fun. Especially with an arctic outbreak following it. Literal glacier situation.

It wasn't JB and I should have mentioned they only said it was a possibility not definite - I think 15:1 is reasonable considering this air mass coming in from the north is quite unusually cold for this area during a snow event.

Yeah in general that’s it. Technically in this scenario they are actually both slowing down and phasing later timing wise, but further west nonetheless. I think if we are going to have a phase, a quicker one is the better of the two evils cause at least the TPV and HP won’t be retreating by then.

Good catch that was meant to be a 20 (2/12/2012) I will update

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GDPS Para smokes the entire 95 corridor. Pretty much best case scenario. Probably 16-18” using 10-12:1 Edit - NINJAd. Kuchera map is insane. Cut it by 1/4 at least

I could see this being one of those where the local mets go 4-8. Then up it to 6-10. Then up it again to 10-14. I used to love watching Bob Ryan constantly upping the totals. Always made me chuckle. He was the original DC snow weenie.

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20:1 is tough here outside of maybe a clipper in a very cold setup. Coastal lows usually its either too warm or too windy for ratios that good. PD2 is a case though where I think ratios may have been close to that and 2016

I really hope that does not pan out for the SE. That could be devestation.

No way in hell at this point to determine where best snow growth will be, banding and lift etc. We're still trying to figure out the synoptic situation much less pull apart soundings 120 hours out. Surface temperatures alone do not determine ratios. A gusty wind can reduce ratios. Not to mention how much against climo 20:1 would be for the metro. JB is a great one for pushing 20:1 / 30:1 ratios and I can't think of ONCE when he was right on that during a moderate or major storm.

Having done forecasts there for years the wedge often times tends to be deeper in NE Ga so they end up more sleety in this storms. I think if this trends more to FZRA they'd probably see much less precip and just get like 0.25 FZRA and that is all. There is a narrow setup for them to see monster ice totals there. The wedge tends to save them or the system just usually cuts more north and they are drier.

Found NOAA's sounding page. Notice the difference in temps from what was on the Wyoming site. Strange. Yet this mornings sounding looks good. https://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/soundings/