coastalplainsnowman Posted 14 hours ago Share Posted 14 hours ago 18 minutes ago, 495weatherguy said: Let’s hope! although I fear Long Island will be stuck in the 50’s and spring will feature a ton of bdcf’s 'bdcf' looks like a swear word, which is fitting. Also, I'd argue that on a lot of those bdcf days, the spine of LI - 495 if you will - is often more similar to unaffected central NJ than it is to the south shore of LI. I remember many times stepping out of work in Mineola/Garden City, to blue skies and 70s, only to head south on the Meadowbrook or Wantagh and see odd darkness/haziness on the horizon. By the time I got to Sunrise Hwy I'd be in misty and damp low 50s. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted 13 hours ago Share Posted 13 hours ago 45 minutes ago, SnoSki14 said: Huge differences in the shaded vs sun zones here. Shaded spots still have several inches while sun spots it's mostly grass. No grass here at all. Definitely a lot more snow than there was in syosset area today. The only grass here is right along the edges of the driveways. Otherwise it’s a solid 4-6” in sunny areas, 7-8” in shaded areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthShoreWx Posted 11 hours ago Share Posted 11 hours ago 3 hours ago, 495weatherguy said: ... I fear Long Island will be stuck in the 50’s and spring will feature a ton of bdcf’s Son of a bdcf! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman19 Posted 5 hours ago Author Share Posted 5 hours ago Add BAMWX to the growing chorus of people skeptical of some big return to winter come mid-month. DT (Wxrisk), Contentweatherguy and Larry Cosgrove in his new blog yesterday morning are also doubting it Larry Cosgrove: https://groups.google.com/g/weatheramerica/c/rkjQBLeS9xo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForestHillWx Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 15 right now; I didn’t think we’d drop this low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 1 hour ago, snowman19 said: Add BAMWX to the growing chorus of people skeptical of some big return to winter come mid-month. DT (Wxrisk), Contentweatherguy and Larry Cosgrove in his new blog yesterday morning are also doubting it Larry Cosgrove: https://groups.google.com/g/weatheramerica/c/rkjQBLeS9xo With an AO+ likely to prevail through at least mid-March, there seems to be no mechanism that could drive the cold from Canada into the New York City area. Some fleeting cool shots are possible, but a sustained very cold regime appears unlikely. That means prospects for a 50.0" or above snow season at Central Park will decrease markedly. The percentage of cases with sufficient snowfall (6.6") to raise the seasonal total to 50.0" or above are below: On or after 3/15: 10.8% On or after 3/20: 6.3% On or after 3/25: 2.5% No meaningful snowfall is likely through at least March 15th. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago Interesting to see that March is still reverting to the 2020s milder and less snowy mean even following our coldest and snowiest winter of the 2020s so far. March Monthly Mean Avg Temperature for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Mean 46.5 46.4 2025 46.9 46.9 2024 48.1 48.1 2023 44.6 44.6 2022 45.3 45.3 2021 45.8 45.8 2020 48.0 48.0 March Monthly Total Snowfall for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Mean 0.1 0.1 2025 0.0 0.0 2024 T T 2023 0.1 0.1 2022 0.4 0.4 2021 T T 2020 T T 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago The back for this winter had to break at some point. Hopefully it doesn’t come with backdoor fronts every week. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 31 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said: With an AO+ likely to prevail through at least mid-March, there seems to be no mechanism that could drive the cold from Canada into the New York City area. Some fleeting cool shots are possible, but a sustained very cold regime appears unlikely. That means prospects for a 50.0" or above snow season at Central Park will decrease markedly. The percentage of cases with sufficient snowfall (6.6") to raise the seasonal total to 50.0" or above are below: On or after 3/15: 10.8% On or after 3/20: 6.3% On or after 3/25: 2.5% No meaningful snowfall is likely through at least March 15th. Thanks Don. This morning we are finally seeing a movement to phase 8 where previously it was stuck in 6. Also the wind reversal is imminent. Of course, all this may effect us too late where we would need everything line up perfectly (night, high rates, arctic air, track...). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago Also working against March and April snow is the fact that it seems decadal. 90s snowed often in March and April. 00s hardly snowed 10s snowed often 20s barely snows Of course all this is timing. If we were hitting phase 8 now and the current reversal happened 2 weeks ago we may be looking at heavy snow in March. Looking at the CPK snowfall chart, oddly it seems that when we have an above average snowfall December March is not snowy and vice versa (for example this year, 18/19, 13/14, 14/15 etc...). Only in rare winters like 95/96 and 02/03 do we have "wall to wall" snowfall. 13/14 came close but DC "stole the snow" that year. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman19 Posted 3 hours ago Author Share Posted 3 hours ago 14 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said: Thanks Don. This morning we are finally seeing a movement to phase 8 where previously it was stuck in 6. Also the wind reversal is imminent. Of course, all this may effect us too late where we would need everything line up perfectly (night, high rates, arctic air, track...). It’s starting to look likely that this SSW/split doesn’t downwell and couple with the troposphere later this month. This is following the theme we’ve seen recently where there is a disconnect between the stratosphere and troposphere and they don’t end up coupling @donsutherland1 @bluewave 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinRP37 Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago It is kind of funny that while we had a cold winter, the vast majority of the country saw one of the warmest winters on record. Florida, even with the cold spell, saw their 2nd warmest winter, DJF period. Looking at the developing pattern, I do think spring will come in very quickly. I do think ski season will end up ending earlier than normal throughout the region. I also think this will be one of the warmer summers. Enjoy the snow cover while you can because it will be brown and muddy after it melts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago Just now, snowman19 said: It’s starting to look likely that this SSW doesn’t downwell and couple with the troposphere later this month. This is following the theme we’ve seen recently where there is a disconnect between the stratosphere and troposphere and they don’t end up coupling It could be the case - out of curiosity what drove the persistent-ao this year? Looks like we do hit 8 once again but will see if its early enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 2 minutes ago, JustinRP37 said: It is kind of funny that while we had a cold winter, the vast majority of the country saw one of the warmest winters on record. Florida, even with the cold spell, saw their 2nd warmest winter, DJF period. Looking at the developing pattern, I do think spring will come in very quickly. I do think ski season will end up ending earlier than normal throughout the region. I also think this will be one of the warmer summers. Enjoy the snow cover while you can because it will be brown and muddy after it melts. The trough set up too far east for east St. Louis this year. If the trough was a little further west our snowfall COULD have been MUCH higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman19 Posted 3 hours ago Author Share Posted 3 hours ago It could be the case - out of curiosity what drove the persistent-ao this year? Looks like we do hit 8 once again but will see if its early enough.Per DT: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 1 minute ago, snowman19 said: Per DT: Yup timing is my concern with the MJO. Hitting 8 on the 20th is a bit late and everything would have to line up for snowfall. That being said it has to be monitored. If the forecast is off by a few days and its earlier we can increase snowfall chances. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 30 minutes ago, JustinRP37 said: It is kind of funny that while we had a cold winter, the vast majority of the country saw one of the warmest winters on record. Florida, even with the cold spell, saw their 2nd warmest winter, DJF period. Looking at the developing pattern, I do think spring will come in very quickly. I do think ski season will end up ending earlier than normal throughout the region. I also think this will be one of the warmer summers. Enjoy the snow cover while you can because it will be brown and muddy after it melts. The Northern Hemisphere winter cold pool has really shrunk following the dramatic warming which occurred in 2015-2016 across the globe and North America. So while this was a great winter for us, it was the 2nd warmest across the CONUS. Past winters this cold and snowy in the East also had extensive cold further to our West with much colder CONUS rankings. Several years had coast to coast cold which was missing this winter. So in this much warmer world it was a challenge for places to have an all-time winter for both snow and cold. There was definitely a colder global temperature sweet spot from 1993-1994 to 2014-2015. This allowed for the all-time snowiest winter in PA during 1993-1994, our area in 1995-1996, DC to Philly in 2009-2010, Detroit and the Great Lakes in 2013-2014, and Boston in 2014-2015. None of these benchmarks were able to be approached this winter with the smaller footprint of the cold. The big question going forward is how long will it be before we see another locally cold and snowy winter near this magnitude since the last ones were over 11 years ago? Climatologist49 @climatologist49.bsky.social Follow December 2025 through February 2026 was the 2nd warmest winter on record for the Contiguous U.S. according to Prism climate data. The widespread record to near record warmth in the west easily outweighed the cool temps in the east. 11:39 AM · Mar 1, 2026 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 21 hours ago, The 4 Seasons said: Hey everyone, i am putting out a call for season-to-date snowfall totals for anyone who has them, including anything that fell today, March 1st. You can DM me or tag me. I'll have that seasonal snowfall map out this week, thanks. 52.7 so far. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago I think 90% of the people here would be happy with a March torch. I for one am done. Time to get outside and start living again. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 8 minutes ago, Brian5671 said: I think 90% of the people here would be happy with a March torch. I for one am done. Time to get outside and start living again. Problem is only 4 days hit 60 and 2 are rain and 1 cloudy lol. This is the extended TWC forecast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherpruf Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 1 hour ago, JustinRP37 said: It is kind of funny that while we had a cold winter, the vast majority of the country saw one of the warmest winters on record. Florida, even with the cold spell, saw their 2nd warmest winter, DJF period. Looking at the developing pattern, I do think spring will come in very quickly. I do think ski season will end up ending earlier than normal throughout the region. I also think this will be one of the warmer summers. Enjoy the snow cover while you can because it will be brown and muddy after it melts. at the end of each fishing season i have had it; am cursing the regulations, the east winds, the cold fronts, the offshore swells etc. but right now i am itching to get back into things.striper season is open though it is never too good in the spring anymore, and i might give some south jersey perch a whirl. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherpruf Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 11 minutes ago, Brian5671 said: I think 90% of the people here would be happy with a March torch. I for one am done. Time to get outside and start living again. not a torch; how bout a normal spring; 70s and high southwest winds don't do much for me. and they are always followed by cold damp periods... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 26 / 3 clouds pushing in. Coldest day of the next while today / tomorrow. Warm and wetter and plenty of cloudy days through Saturday. An inch of rain over the next 5 days with Thu/Fri the wettest. Ridge balloons into the east and peak of the warmth between March 8th - March 11th first 60s and 70s since October. By mid month its back towards normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 7 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said: Problem is only 4 days hit 60 and 2 are rain and 1 cloudy lol. This is the extended TWC forecast. The GFS is very wet from the midwest into our area. We do need the rain though-still in moderate drought. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago Records: Highs: EWR: 78 (1972) NYC: 72 (1972) LGA: 67 (2004) JFK: 64 (1985) Lows: EWR: 12 (1950) NYC: 9 (1891) LGA: 13 (1962) JFK: 12 (1980) Historical: 1846 - A great storm hit Virginia and the Carolinas. The storm caused half a million dollars damage, and in North Carolina drowned fifty families and a thousand cattle on Notts Island. (David Ludlum) 1927 - Raleigh, NC, was buried under 17.8 inches of snow in 24 hours, a record for that location. Nashville NC received 31 inches of snow. The average snow depth in the state of Carolina was fourteen inches. (The Weather Channel) 1927: Nor'easter high winds gusted to 62 mph at Cape Henry and 52 mph at Norfolk, VA. Heavy snow fell across North Carolina into Virginia and travel was delayed for two to three days. In Virginia Beach, high tide and heavy surf on March 2 inflicted considerable damage. The beaches in some places were washed back 50 feet and denuded of the overlying sand, exposing the clay beneath. (Ref. Virginia Weather History) 1975 - The governor's Tornado&puot; in Atlanta did considerable damage to the governor's mansion and surrounding areas resulting in three deaths and 56.5 million dollars damage. (The Weather Channel) 1983: An unusual warning to residents of Lake Tahoe, CA: they were advised not to go out cross country skiing as they might ski into power lines. The snow depth was an amazing 215 inches. A major coastal storm ripped out several hundred feet of the Santa Monica pier. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History) 1985 - A massive winter storm struck the Northern Plains Region. The storm produced up to 33 inches of snow in northeastern South Dakota, at Summit and at Milbank, and also produced high winds which whipped the heavy snow into drifts twenty feet high. (Storm Data) 1987 - A storm in the northeastern U.S. produced heavy snow in Maine, with 16 inches reported at West Grand Lake and Guilford. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1988 - Thunderstorms produced severe weather in the south central U.S. A tornado at Baton Rouge LA injured two persons, and another tornado caused five million dollars damage at the airport in Lafayette LA. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1989 - Snow and high winds plagued the western U.S. Up to 16 inches of snow was reported south of Seattle WA, and more than two feet of snow blanketed the Sierra Nevada Range of California. Winds gusted to 89 mph at Hidden Peak UT, and reached 92 mph at Peavine CA. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1990 - Mild weather continued across the northern tier of states. Highs of 52 degrees at Saint Johnsbury VT, 63 degrees at Olympia WA, and 64 degrees at Seattle WA were records for the date. (The National Weather Summary) 1996: Another East Coast snowstorm deposited 4.6 inches of snow at Central Park in New York City to bring its seasonal snowfall total to 66.3 inches, breaking the old season snowfall record of 63.2 inches set in 1947-48. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History) 1998: Lead, SD sets record 9-day snowstorm with a total of 103 inches. (Bob Ryan's 2002 Almanac) 2001: Both Caribou and Bangor, ME set a new all-time March record low temperatures with -28 °F and -16 °F., respectively. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History) 2005: Waterspouts were recorded in Redondo Beach in southern California. Pea size hail accumulated to a depth of one inch on Huntington Beach. 2012: The March 2 and 3, 2012, a deadly tornado outbreak occurred over a large section of the Southern United States into the Ohio Valley region. The storms resulted in 41 tornado-related fatalities, 22 of which occurred in Kentucky. Tornado-related deaths also occurred in Alabama, Indiana, and Ohio. The outbreak was the second deadliest in early March for the U.S. since official records began in 1950. Only the 1966 Candlestick Park tornado had a higher death toll for a tornadic system in early March. Click HERE for more information from the NWS Louisville, Kentucky. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman19 Posted 2 hours ago Author Share Posted 2 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Brian5671 said: The GFS is very wet from the midwest into our area. We do need the rain though-still in moderate drought. Hopefully the snow melt and projected rain going forward tames brush fire season which starts soon. 3/15-5/15 is the annual burn ban in NY to help mitigate wildfire season…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 48 minutes ago, Brian5671 said: I think 90% of the people here would be happy with a March torch. I for one am done. Time to get outside and start living again. Nope. Let it snow until April. This has been a great winter. Last year would have also been great if suppression wasn't an issue. Maybe we are turning the corner here in regards to cold and snowy winters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhiEaglesfan712 Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 1 hour ago, bluewave said: So in this much warmer world it was a challenge for places to have an all-time winter for both snow and cold. There was definitely a colder global temperature sweet spot from 1993-1994 to 2014-2015. This allowed for the all-time snowiest winter in PA during 1993-1994, our area in 1995-1996, DC to Philly in 2009-2010, Detroit and the Great Lakes in 2013-2014, and Boston in 2014-2015. None of these benchmarks were able to be approached this winter with the smaller footprint of the cold. The colder global temperature sweet spot ended with the 1997-98 el nino. Temperatures jumped with that super el nino, and have never went back to the pre-1997 baseline. Pinatubo was most likely the reason for the colder global temperature sweet spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobalt Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago On 2/28/2026 at 12:41 PM, PhiEaglesfan712 said: I can guarantee you, though, that there probably won't be one until at least November. Guaranteeing something that will probably happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted 49 minutes ago Share Posted 49 minutes ago 46 minutes ago, PhiEaglesfan712 said: The colder global temperature sweet spot ended with the 1997-98 el nino. Temperatures jumped with that super el nino, and have never went back to the pre-1997 baseline. Pinatubo was most likely the reason for the colder global temperature sweet spot. There have been a series of temperature jumps over the years which have resulted in changes to how the CONUS experiences their winters. We had a fairly stable global temperature regime from 1895 to 1982 with only a gentle increase in temperatures. This why the CONUS and our area haven’t had a top 10 coldest winter since then. Warming began to pick up in 1983 and gradually increased until 1996-1997. The first significant jump in 1997-1998 kicked off our all or nothing snowfall pattern with nearly all the sea seasons well below or well above average snowfall and average seasons largely missing. The all-time snowy winters patterns were able to continue up through 2014-2015 in Boston. The 2015-2016 even larger temperature jump shrank the Northern Hemisphere winter cold pool so we haven’t been able to challenge the all-time snowy seasons that we experienced during the 1993-1994 to 2014-2015 period when the global and CONUS temperatures didn’t change that much. That was the sweet spot that I was referring to when temperarures were in a colder range than today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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