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We need a surface reflection in the southeast for the Thurs. event. Otherwise it's likely light rain/warm or an offshore low. Shortwave energy and low surface pressure in the Lakes region torches our lower levels. It's a symptom of a positively tilted trof collapsing on itself. We need more PVA in the south, not the Lakes. But we are moving away from that idea.

 

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Just now, Jt17 said:


Weathergeek on one end, you on the other and reality hopefully in the middle. :)


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I haven't been this excited for a big snow event in 5 years! I know it's still far but him saying it was a disappointing 12z runs in my opinion is not right, the biggest potential for big storms not 2-4 inches snow is next week

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5 minutes ago, eduggs said:

Disappointing 12z runs. Guidance starting to converge on a miss next week just as we approach a more reliable model time frame. Ensembles have consistently shown very little snow through the end of next week. Next weekend's potential event is still in fantasy land so hard to get excited about anything that far away.

agree - still nothing to get specifically  excited about except for the POTENTIAL

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2 minutes ago, WeatherGeek2025 said:

I haven't been this excited for a big snow event in 5 years! I know it's still far but him saying it was a disappointing 12z runs in my opinion is not right, the biggest potential for big storms not 2-4 inches snow is next week

It wasn't a good 12z cycle because the modeled trof structure got more hostile for a big east coast event on every single model. And this is occurring during a time period where the run-to-run variability begins to significantly decrease. This is a difficult setup to get high QPF along the coast. There's a reason why so few individual ensemble members on the EPS, GEFS, or GEPS over the past few days have shown big hits. It could definitely happen next week - and I'm rooting as hard as anyone. But right now, statistically, we are more likely to be skunked than to get a major snowstorm.

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12z GFS is closest to an east coast snowstorm. It has a thin, high amplitude trof that rapidly takes on a negative tilt. This is at the extreme end of its multi-day ensemble spread. And it still misses well east. Then look at the CMC, ICON, and UK. All not close. GFS-AI and ECM are less dreadful but not great. Any reasonable look at this would have to conclude that an east coast snowstorm next week is a longshot at this juncture. I really really hope it changes for the better. But if we want to be rational, we should acknowledge the situation for what it is.

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35 minutes ago, eduggs said:

We need a surface reflection in the southeast for the Thurs. event. Otherwise it's likely light rain/warm or an offshore low. Shortwave energy and low surface pressure in the Lakes region torches our lower levels. It's a symptom of a positively tilted trof collapsing on itself. We need more PVA in the south, not the Lakes. But we are moving away from that idea.

 

I won’t be in town therefore it’s guaranteed to hit. 

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Although the events are still outside ability of the operational guidance to reliably resolve the synoptic details, the 12z guidance continues to be encouraging. It it consistent with the ongoing and incredibly orderly pattern evolution that has been underway since the start of January. In that evolution, cold should begin to return next week. Afterward, as the PNA rises, opportunities for snowfall should begin to increase.

As noted previously, both severe cold and significant snowfall are unlikely through at least mid-January. The transition to a more wintry pattern probably won't be completed by then. But shortly afterward, the probability of snowfall should increase. The probability of moderate or significant snowfalls would be higher if a PNA+ can develop and then be sustained. Arctic air might begin to get involved around or after January 20th.

The overall consensus in the guidance is that a general WPO-/EPO-/AO- pattern will develop just after mid-month. Such patterns in combination with a PNA+ are 1.7 times more likely to see one or more days with a 4" or above snowfall than when combined with a PNA-.  Regardless of the state of the PNA, those patterns have seen measurable snowfall nearly once every five days, which is 1.6X climatology (1980-2025). 

As for the 12z GFS's systems during the roughly 168-hour and 222-hour timeframes, it's far too soon to resolve details. That there's activity is sufficient. In general, if things progress as has often occurred during the kind of pattern evolution described above, a delay in the first event would allow the trough more time to sharpen before the storm's development/arrival. That would increase prospects of its having a more impactful track than shown on the 12z GFS. The second system, as things currently stands, likely has the higher probability of taking an impactful track. Although its solution is different, the latter timeframe has support from the GGEM. Model skill at that timeframe is low. For now, it's more useful to stick with the overall pattern progression described above, avoid speculating over synoptic details that the guidance cannot resolve at these timeframes, and leave the details concerning potential events for later. That there's potential is what's both important and encouraging.

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so give us your take on the models at 12Z...........

A bit more intriguing than previous runs. Which is why disappointing is an odd characterization for something that showed improvement. Expecting most of the models to suddenly show a great solution a week out is silly. A lot of potential there.


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2 minutes ago, Wannabehippie said:

That feels like a typical January thaw. 

Been very warm this week. Around low 50s past few days, and looks like we continue with the 40s until mid-late next week. The models rushed the pattern change back to cold. Still warm and mild for the foreseeable future. Thursday's storm threat has essentially dissipated (not for the south though) but trough seems to be too positively tilted to get it up to the coast. The follow up next weekend is too warm on the Euro and is in fantasy range anyway. Nothing to get excited about aside from the cold air returning mid week next week 

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6 minutes ago, Krs4Lfe said:

Been very warm this week. Around low 50s past few days, and looks like we continue with the 40s until mid-late next week. The models rushed the pattern change back to cold. Still warm and mild for the foreseeable future. Thursday's storm threat has essentially dissipated (not for the south though) but trough seems to be too positively tilted to get it up to the coast. The follow up next weekend is too warm on the Euro and is in fantasy range anyway. Nothing to get excited about aside from the cold air returning mid week next week 

Another hilarious post from you.

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39 minutes ago, Krs4Lfe said:

Been very warm this week. Around low 50s past few days, and looks like we continue with the 40s until mid-late next week. The models rushed the pattern change back to cold. Still warm and mild for the foreseeable future. Thursday's storm threat has essentially dissipated (not for the south though) but trough seems to be too positively tilted to get it up to the coast. The follow up next weekend is too warm on the Euro and is in fantasy range anyway. Nothing to get excited about aside from the cold air returning mid week next week 

I mean this as nicely as possible but you may be better served by reading more and posting less. The amount of posts you’ve shared that make little to no sense and provide no value is kind of baffling. A little self awareness goes a long way!

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5 hours ago, SACRUS said:

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1996: Sub-freezing temperatures severely damaged vegetable crops with losses estimated over $2 million dollars in Hillsborough and Lee counties; with minor damage to the citrus crop in Pasco County, Florida. Several tropical fish farms lost over 50% of their harvest with the estimated loss at $5.5 million dollars. Locations across Florida and the East that reported record low temperatures for the date included: Elkins, WV: -8°, Islip, NY: 14°-Tied

 

Today's record low for Islip is -4 from 1968.  

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30 minutes ago, NorthShoreWx said:

Today's record low for Islip is -4 from 1968.  

The 1960s had the best Long Island and surrounding area radiational cooling following the big snowstorms of that era. 

 for January 21, 1961 through January 31, 1961
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NY SHRUB OAK COOP -25
NY CARMEL COOP -24
NJ CANOE BROOK COOP -21
CT WESTBROOK COOP -21
NY PORT JERVIS COOP -20
CT WATERBURY RADIO WBRY COOP -19
NJ CHARLOTTEBURG RESERVOIR COOP -18
CT STAMFORD 5 N COOP -18
CT MOUNT CARMEL COOP -17
NY SUFFERN COOP -16
CT DANBURY COOP -16
NY BEDFORD HILLS COOP -16
NY STEWART FIELD WBAN -15
NJ WANAQUE RAYMOND DAM COOP -14
CT GROTON COOP -14
CT NORWICH PUBLIC UTILITY PLANT COOP -13
NY PATCHOGUE 2 N COOP -12
CT COLCHESTER 2 W COOP -12
NJ LITTLE FALLS COOP -11
NY MIDDLETOWN 2 NW COOP -10
NY SCARSDALE COOP -10
NY WESTCHESTER CO AP WBAN -10
NJ ELIZABETH COOP -10
CT MIDDLETOWN 4 W COOP -10
NY WEST POINT COOP -7
CT NORWALK GAS PLANT COOP -7
NJ PLAINFIELD COOP -7
CT NEW HAVEN TWEED AP WBAN -7
NY HEMPSTEAD GARDEN CITY COOP -2
NY SETAUKET STRONG COOP -2
NY RIVERHEAD RESEARCH FARM COOP -2
NY BRIDGEHAMPTON COOP -2
CT IGOR I SIKORSKY MEMORIAL AIRPORT WBAN -1
NJ PATERSON COOP -1
NY WESTHAMPTON GABRESKI AP WBAN -1


 

Monthly Snowfall Data for January 1961 for Upton NY NWS CWA
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NY WARWICK COOP 45.2
NY GARDNERVILLE COOP 44.0
NJ GREENWOOD LAKE COOP 37.6
NY PORT JERVIS COOP 37.2
NY WEST POINT COOP 35.9
CT WOLCOTT RESERVOIR COOP 33.5
NY DOBBS FERRY-ARDSLEY COOP 32.7
NJ PATERSON COOP 32.5
NJ MAHWAH COOP 32.0
NY WESTCHESTER CO AP WBAN 31.1
NJ MIDLAND PARK COOP 31.0
NJ CHARLOTTEBURG RESERVOIR COOP 31.0
NY SCARSDALE COOP 30.9
NY CARMEL COOP 30.0
NJ CANOE BROOK COOP 29.0
NY STEWART FIELD WBAN 28.0
NY BEDFORD HILLS COOP 27.7
NJ RINGWOOD COOP 27.5
NY SHRUB OAK COOP 27.5
NY BRIDGEHAMPTON COOP 27.4
CT STAMFORD 5 N COOP 27.0
CT MIDDLETOWN 4 W COOP 26.2
CT COCKAPONSET RANGER STA COOP 25.0
NJ WANAQUE RAYMOND DAM COOP 24.0
NJ LITTLE FALLS COOP 22.8
CT WATERBURY RADIO WBRY COOP 22.5
NJ NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 22.2
NY PATCHOGUE 2 N COOP 21.6
NY NY WESTERLEIGH STAT IS COOP 21.5
NY WESTHAMPTON GABRESKI AP WBAN 21.5
NJ CEDAR GROVE COOP 21.0
NY SUFFERN COOP 20.6
NJ PLAINFIELD COOP 20.5
NJ IRVINGTON COOP 20.5
NY HEMPSTEAD GARDEN CITY COOP 20.5
CT COLCHESTER 2 W COOP 20.2
NY NEW YORK LAUREL HILL COOP 20.0
NY MINEOLA COOP 20.0
CT DANBURY COOP 20.0
CT NEW HAVEN TWEED AP WBAN 20.0
CT GROTON COOP 20.0
Data for February 7, 1967 through February 14, 1967
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NY STEWART FIELD WBAN -20
NY SHRUB OAK COOP -16
NY MIDDLETOWN 2 NW COOP -16
CT COLCHESTER 2 W COOP -15
CT WESTBROOK COOP -15
NY ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP WBAN -14
NY CARMEL COOP -12
CT MOUNT CARMEL COOP -12
CT STAMFORD 5 N COOP -11
CT DANBURY COOP -10
CT MIDDLETOWN 4 W COOP -10
NJ CHARLOTTEBURG RESERVOIR COOP -10
NY PORT JERVIS COOP -10
CT GROTON COOP -9
CT NORWICH PUBLIC UTILITY PLANT COOP -9
NJ CANOE BROOK COOP -9
NY SUFFERN COOP -8
CT NORWALK GAS PLANT COOP -7
NY SCARSDALE COOP -6
NY WESTCHESTER CO AP WBAN -6
NY YORKTOWN HEIGHTS 1W COOP -5
NY WESTHAMPTON GABRESKI AP WBAN -5
NY BEDFORD HILLS COOP -4
NJ WANAQUE RAYMOND DAM COOP -4
NY WEST POINT COOP -4
NY PATCHOGUE 2 N COOP -4
CT NEW HAVEN TWEED AP WBAN -3
CT IGOR I SIKORSKY MEMORIAL AIRPORT WBAN -2
NJ PLAINFIELD COOP -2
NJ LITTLE FALLS COOP -2
NY HEMPSTEAD GARDEN CITY COOP -1


 

Monthly Snowfall Data for February 1967 for Upton NY NWS CWA
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CT WOLCOTT RESERVOIR COOP 34.2
CT COLCHESTER 2 W COOP 33.2
CT EASTON RESERVOIR COOP 32.5
CT COCKAPONSET RANGER STA COOP 32.3
NY STEWART FIELD WBAN 32.1
NY WARWICK COOP 32.1
CT DANBURY COOP 31.6
NY BRIDGEHAMPTON COOP 30.5
NY SCARSDALE COOP 30.5
NY WESTCHESTER CO AP WBAN 29.6
NY NY WESTERLEIGH STAT IS COOP 29.5
CT TRAP FALLS RESERVOIR COOP 29.5
NJ PLAINFIELD COOP 29.1
NJ CHARLOTTEBURG RESERVOIR COOP 28.6
NY BEDFORD HILLS COOP 28.5
NY DOBBS FERRY-ARDSLEY COOP 28.1
NY MINEOLA COOP 28.0
NY PATCHOGUE 2 N COOP 27.8
NY NEW YORK LAUREL HILL COOP 27.7
CT WESTBROOK COOP 27.6
NJ MIDLAND PARK COOP 27.5
NY WESTHAMPTON GABRESKI AP WBAN 27.3
NJ CANOE BROOK COOP 27.0
NY CARMEL COOP 27.0
NJ PATERSON COOP 26.8
NJ WANAQUE RAYMOND DAM COOP 26.6
NY WEST POINT COOP 26.3
NY YORKTOWN HEIGHTS 1W COOP 26.0
NY SHRUB OAK COOP 25.5
NJ NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 25.4
CT NEW HAVEN TWEED AP WBAN 25.3
CT MIDDLETOWN 4 W COOP 25.3
CT STAMFORD 5 N COOP 25.3
NY GARDNERVILLE COOP 25.0
CT MOUNT CARMEL COOP 24.6
NY RIVERHEAD RESEARCH FARM COOP 24.3
CT NORWALK GAS PLANT COOP 24.3
NY NEW YORK AVE V BROOKLYN COOP 24.0
CT IGOR I SIKORSKY MEMORIAL AIRPORT WBAN 24.0
NY HEMPSTEAD GARDEN CITY COOP 23.8
NY PORT JERVIS COOP 23.7
NY NY CITY CENTRAL PARK WBAN 23.6
NJ GREENWOOD LAKE COOP 20.5
NY LAGUARDIA AIRPORT WBAN 20.0

 

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8 minutes ago, bluewave said:

The 1960s had the best Long Island and surrounding area radiational cooling following the big snowstorms of that era. 

 for January 21, 1961 through January 31, 1961
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NY SHRUB OAK COOP -25
NY CARMEL COOP -24
NJ CANOE BROOK COOP -21
CT WESTBROOK COOP -21
NY PORT JERVIS COOP -20
CT WATERBURY RADIO WBRY COOP -19
NJ CHARLOTTEBURG RESERVOIR COOP -18
CT STAMFORD 5 N COOP -18
CT MOUNT CARMEL COOP -17
NY SUFFERN COOP -16
CT DANBURY COOP -16
NY BEDFORD HILLS COOP -16
NY STEWART FIELD WBAN -15
NJ WANAQUE RAYMOND DAM COOP -14
CT GROTON COOP -14
CT NORWICH PUBLIC UTILITY PLANT COOP -13
NY PATCHOGUE 2 N COOP -12
CT COLCHESTER 2 W COOP -12
NJ LITTLE FALLS COOP -11
NY MIDDLETOWN 2 NW COOP -10
NY SCARSDALE COOP -10
NY WESTCHESTER CO AP WBAN -10
NJ ELIZABETH COOP -10
CT MIDDLETOWN 4 W COOP -10
NY WEST POINT COOP -7
CT NORWALK GAS PLANT COOP -7
NJ PLAINFIELD COOP -7
CT NEW HAVEN TWEED AP WBAN -7
NY HEMPSTEAD GARDEN CITY COOP -2
NY SETAUKET STRONG COOP -2
NY RIVERHEAD RESEARCH FARM COOP -2
NY BRIDGEHAMPTON COOP -2
CT IGOR I SIKORSKY MEMORIAL AIRPORT WBAN -1
NJ PATERSON COOP -1
NY WESTHAMPTON GABRESKI AP WBAN -1


 

Monthly Snowfall Data for January 1961 for Upton NY NWS CWA
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NY WARWICK COOP 45.2
NY GARDNERVILLE COOP 44.0
NJ GREENWOOD LAKE COOP 37.6
NY PORT JERVIS COOP 37.2
NY WEST POINT COOP 35.9
CT WOLCOTT RESERVOIR COOP 33.5
NY DOBBS FERRY-ARDSLEY COOP 32.7
NJ PATERSON COOP 32.5
NJ MAHWAH COOP 32.0
NY WESTCHESTER CO AP WBAN 31.1
NJ MIDLAND PARK COOP 31.0
NJ CHARLOTTEBURG RESERVOIR COOP 31.0
NY SCARSDALE COOP 30.9
NY CARMEL COOP 30.0
NJ CANOE BROOK COOP 29.0
NY STEWART FIELD WBAN 28.0
NY BEDFORD HILLS COOP 27.7
NJ RINGWOOD COOP 27.5
NY SHRUB OAK COOP 27.5
NY BRIDGEHAMPTON COOP 27.4
CT STAMFORD 5 N COOP 27.0
CT MIDDLETOWN 4 W COOP 26.2
CT COCKAPONSET RANGER STA COOP 25.0
NJ WANAQUE RAYMOND DAM COOP 24.0
NJ LITTLE FALLS COOP 22.8
CT WATERBURY RADIO WBRY COOP 22.5
NJ NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 22.2
NY PATCHOGUE 2 N COOP 21.6
NY NY WESTERLEIGH STAT IS COOP 21.5
NY WESTHAMPTON GABRESKI AP WBAN 21.5
NJ CEDAR GROVE COOP 21.0
NY SUFFERN COOP 20.6
NJ PLAINFIELD COOP 20.5
NJ IRVINGTON COOP 20.5
NY HEMPSTEAD GARDEN CITY COOP 20.5
CT COLCHESTER 2 W COOP 20.2
NY NEW YORK LAUREL HILL COOP 20.0
NY MINEOLA COOP 20.0
CT DANBURY COOP 20.0
CT NEW HAVEN TWEED AP WBAN 20.0
CT GROTON COOP 20.0
Data for February 7, 1967 through February 14, 1967
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NY STEWART FIELD WBAN -20
NY SHRUB OAK COOP -16
NY MIDDLETOWN 2 NW COOP -16
CT COLCHESTER 2 W COOP -15
CT WESTBROOK COOP -15
NY ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP WBAN -14
NY CARMEL COOP -12
CT MOUNT CARMEL COOP -12
CT STAMFORD 5 N COOP -11
CT DANBURY COOP -10
CT MIDDLETOWN 4 W COOP -10
NJ CHARLOTTEBURG RESERVOIR COOP -10
NY PORT JERVIS COOP -10
CT GROTON COOP -9
CT NORWICH PUBLIC UTILITY PLANT COOP -9
NJ CANOE BROOK COOP -9
NY SUFFERN COOP -8
CT NORWALK GAS PLANT COOP -7
NY SCARSDALE COOP -6
NY WESTCHESTER CO AP WBAN -6
NY YORKTOWN HEIGHTS 1W COOP -5
NY WESTHAMPTON GABRESKI AP WBAN -5
NY BEDFORD HILLS COOP -4
NJ WANAQUE RAYMOND DAM COOP -4
NY WEST POINT COOP -4
NY PATCHOGUE 2 N COOP -4
CT NEW HAVEN TWEED AP WBAN -3
CT IGOR I SIKORSKY MEMORIAL AIRPORT WBAN -2
NJ PLAINFIELD COOP -2
NJ LITTLE FALLS COOP -2
NY HEMPSTEAD GARDEN CITY COOP -1


 

Monthly Snowfall Data for February 1967 for Upton NY NWS CWA
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CT WOLCOTT RESERVOIR COOP 34.2
CT COLCHESTER 2 W COOP 33.2
CT EASTON RESERVOIR COOP 32.5
CT COCKAPONSET RANGER STA COOP 32.3
NY STEWART FIELD WBAN 32.1
NY WARWICK COOP 32.1
CT DANBURY COOP 31.6
NY BRIDGEHAMPTON COOP 30.5
NY SCARSDALE COOP 30.5
NY WESTCHESTER CO AP WBAN 29.6
NY NY WESTERLEIGH STAT IS COOP 29.5
CT TRAP FALLS RESERVOIR COOP 29.5
NJ PLAINFIELD COOP 29.1
NJ CHARLOTTEBURG RESERVOIR COOP 28.6
NY BEDFORD HILLS COOP 28.5
NY DOBBS FERRY-ARDSLEY COOP 28.1
NY MINEOLA COOP 28.0
NY PATCHOGUE 2 N COOP 27.8
NY NEW YORK LAUREL HILL COOP 27.7
CT WESTBROOK COOP 27.6
NJ MIDLAND PARK COOP 27.5
NY WESTHAMPTON GABRESKI AP WBAN 27.3
NJ CANOE BROOK COOP 27.0
NY CARMEL COOP 27.0
NJ PATERSON COOP 26.8
NJ WANAQUE RAYMOND DAM COOP 26.6
NY WEST POINT COOP 26.3
NY YORKTOWN HEIGHTS 1W COOP 26.0
NY SHRUB OAK COOP 25.5
NJ NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 25.4
CT NEW HAVEN TWEED AP WBAN 25.3
CT MIDDLETOWN 4 W COOP 25.3
CT STAMFORD 5 N COOP 25.3
NY GARDNERVILLE COOP 25.0
CT MOUNT CARMEL COOP 24.6
NY RIVERHEAD RESEARCH FARM COOP 24.3
CT NORWALK GAS PLANT COOP 24.3
NY NEW YORK AVE V BROOKLYN COOP 24.0
CT IGOR I SIKORSKY MEMORIAL AIRPORT WBAN 24.0
NY HEMPSTEAD GARDEN CITY COOP 23.8
NY PORT JERVIS COOP 23.7
NY NY CITY CENTRAL PARK WBAN 23.6
NJ GREENWOOD LAKE COOP 20.5
NY LAGUARDIA AIRPORT WBAN 20.0

 

The Jan 1961 period is when BNL recorded its lowest ever at -23⁰ F (-31C).

Surprised that KFOK only got down to -1 during that period.

 

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4 minutes ago, NorthShoreWx said:

The Jan 1961 period is when BNL recorded its lowest ever at -23⁰ F (-31C).

Surprised that KFOK only got down to -1 during that period.

 

That is probably due to the old weather instruments being in a warmer area with less cold air drainage than where the current FOK ASOS is located.

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1 minute ago, bluewave said:

That is probably due to the old weather instruments being in a warmer area with less cold air drainage than where the current FOK ASOS is located.

Could be.  I'll check that or when I get a moment.  I think there were some negative mid-teens in places here around 1984 and 2009 as well, but usually my memory of radiational cooling fades as fast as the temperature rises when the wind picks up. 

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