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E PA/NJ/DE Winter 2025-26 Obs/Discussion


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Today will be our 15th of the last 16 days with below normal temperatures as our Top 10 coldest starts to December in our history continues. It’s sunny today but clouds will increase tomorrow with snow arriving after 10pm. Snow will continue overnight till around 8am on Sunday morning before ending. The current NWS forecast has between 2" to 4" of snow across the area. We could see some blowing and drifting snow by afternoon across the typical open field and roads. We look to stay below freezing until Wednesday and then finally see a nice warmup with temperatures several degrees above normal through next weekend before we chill down to close to normal levels for the Christmas Holiday.

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On 12/9/2025 at 6:42 PM, Albedoman said:

New York poster are scared because no water in the reservoirs means no water for them regardless of how the polluted Hudson looks.  The bitter cold is locking up the streams everywhere with ice too- so the water intakes in the rivers will be the talk too. Just look around hear- the Jordan creek is already frozen over with the little water that is in it.  It might as well be empty. We really ne3d a 3-5 in rain event with 50 degrees for a 3-4 day duration event. Any one see that in their crystal ball?

January thaw?

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Snow arrives this evening after 7pm with maybe some rain at the onset across far southern and eastern areas of Chester into Delaware Counties. The snow should be ending by daybreak tomorrow morning. It will be windy and cold tomorrow with blowing and drifting snow and temperatures falling into the teens by afternoon. Of note we only need about 3 inches of snow to go to above normal snowfall for the season to date which is 4.4" after tomorrow. Our unseasonably cold weather looks like it will continue through mid-week. We finally see some warming on Thursday before we turn closer to normal temperatures to close out the week.

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URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
National Weather Service Mount Holly NJ
214 PM EST Sat Dec 13 2025

NJZ017>019-PAZ070-071-102-104-106-141000-
/O.UPG.KPHI.WW.Y.0015.251214T0000Z-251214T1800Z/
/O.NEW.KPHI.WS.W.0004.251214T0000Z-251214T1800Z/
Gloucester-Camden-Northwestern Burlington-Delaware-Philadelphia-
Eastern Chester-Eastern Montgomery-Lower Bucks-
Including the cities of Camden, Cherry Hill, Moorestown,
Glassboro, Philadelphia, Media, Lansdale, Kennett Square, West
Chester, Morrisville, Mount Holly, Norristown, and Doylestown
214 PM EST Sat Dec 13 2025

...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT FROM 7 PM THIS EVENING TO 1 PM EST
SUNDAY...

* WHAT...Heavy snow expected. Total snow accumulations between 3 and
  5 inches.

* WHERE...Portions of southern New Jersey and southeast Pennsylvania.

* WHEN...From 7 PM this evening to 1 PM EST Sunday.

* IMPACTS...Roads, and especially bridges and overpasses, will
  likely become slick and hazardous. Plan on slippery road
  conditions.
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6 hours ago, RedSky said:

Feels like December 2005 the level of cold is the same. Had a 10" snow on the 5th that year and a couple small ones the first half of the month.

 

 

It seems like all the la nina/-ENSO years that end in 5 or 0 are cold in December. See 1995, 2000, 2005, and 2010. The only one one that wasn't cold was 2020, and we got a snowstorm mid-month.

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2 hours ago, Birds~69 said:

Out taking a walk. Probably the coldest it felt so far this season.

20F/Windy/Snow blowing into face. Christmas lights enhanced 100 percent with the snow addition...

I know you are in 7th heaven - cold blast, blanket of snow on everything, and an Eagles blow-out! :lmao:

Temp here is now down to 18 with dp 10, so the arctic air is settling in.

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47 minutes ago, Hurricane Agnes said:

I know you are in 7th heaven - cold blast, blanket of snow on everything, and an Eagles blow-out! :lmao:

Temp here is now down to 18 with dp 10, so the arctic air is settling in.

The past 24hrs things have gone too well regarding weather and sports. A rarity...

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1 hour ago, PhiEaglesfan712 said:

It seems like all the la nina/-ENSO years that end in 5 or 0 are cold in December. See 1995, 2000, 2005, and 2010. The only one one that wasn't cold was 2020, and we got a snowstorm mid-month.

What happened when the calendar flipped to January in those years?

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9 hours ago, Voyager said:

What happened when the calendar flipped to January in those years?

1995-1996 -> That one was a wall-to-wall great winter.

2000-2001 -> Okay winter overall, but left a very sour taste with the huge snow bust in March.

2005-2006 -> Very mild January, but a return to winter in February, highlighted by the snowstorm on the 11th-12th. March is mild.

2010-2011 -> Very cold and snowy January, turns milder in February, although a moderate snowfall happens around President's Day. No more snow after that, but we do get one last hurrah of well below average temperatures in late March.

2020-2021 -> January has no snow and above average temperatures until the last day of the month. February is cold and snowy. March is mild.

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So it seems late December will be our next shot at snow. The MJO looks to be in the circle of death. I read in the NYC forum that there might be some blocking during that time frame. 
 

What else is needed for a classic winter storm, there is one piece missing…I believe it’s the PNA needs to be either positive or negative.

Can someone help me out 

The MJO should be in phase eight, need a negative NAO for blocking and what else 

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31 minutes ago, Violentweatherfan said:

So it seems late December will be our next shot at snow. The MJO looks to be in the circle of death. I read in the NYC forum that there might be some blocking during that time frame. 
 

What else is needed for a classic winter storm, there is one piece missing…I believe it’s the PNA needs to be either positive or negative.

Can someone help me out 

The MJO should be in phase eight, need a negative NAO for blocking and what else 

Most typical arrangement of indices and ingredients for a major coastal are -NAO, -AO, +PNA, -EPO, and a 50/50 low that locks forward movement of the main cyclone.  50/50 is latitude and longitude.

You want the +PNA because it orients the ridge axis out west that, in turn, creates ideal trough orientation downstream / in the eastern CONUS.  Storms can ride the trough, gather strength, and come north.

There's some more nuanced version of the variables that might be even better, that is, a pattern that's relaxing (like a -PNA going positive or a -NAO going positive) lending to higher correlation.

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We will continue well below normal temperatures both today and tomorrow before we moderate to near normal by Wednesday (low 40's). Well above normal for one day on Thursday (upper 40's) before back to normal temperatures toward the weekend. Rain chances increase by Thursday night.

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56 minutes ago, jwilson said:

Most typical arrangement of indices and ingredients for a major coastal are -NAO, -AO, +PNA, -EPO, and a 50/50 low that locks forward movement of the main cyclone.  50/50 is latitude and longitude.

You want the +PNA because it orients the ridge axis out west that, in turn, creates ideal trough orientation downstream / in the eastern CONUS.  Storms can ride the trough, gather strength, and come north.

There's some more nuanced version of the variables that might be even better, that is, a pattern that's relaxing (like a -PNA going positive or a -NAO going positive) lending to higher correlation.

Not buying into that time frame until the PNA is positive and there is some blocking 

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