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10 minutes ago, Itstrainingtime said:

This might be the post of the year...and it has nothing to do with snow and everything to do with life in general. 

It needed to be said. 

Not sure I'm proud of it....:mellow:, but yeah....sad times.

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2 minutes ago, Itstrainingtime said:

Actually, that has happened in here in the past as well. 

Not saying it doesn’t happen, but in general I’m not a fan of criticizing people who are “experts” in their field when they are wrong about something we as a human race don’t fully understand or that inherently has a lot of uncertainty. I would argue that weather and covid are very similar in that regard.

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10 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

 

The only thing I’ll say to this is, we don’t bash meteorologists when they’re wrong or reverse course on something.

Your point is always an interesting one as Met's are one of the few positions that can get away with being wrong so often because the science is so inexact.  So you could apply that to scientists as well I guess.  But the May guidance was too rosy and too pointed toward making people happy when in reality there was always a chance masking and restrictions where coming back because our understanding of the virus is too limited.  

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Just now, Bubbler86 said:

Your point is always an interesting one as Met's are one of the few positions that can get away with being wrong so often because the science is so inexact.  So you could apply that to scientists as well I guess.  But the May guidance was too rosy and too pointed toward making people happy when in reality there was always a good chance masking and restrictions where coming back.  

As with all politics-adjacent topics, the discourse is controlled by people who have spent their whole lives telling the people who cast votes for them what they want to hear.

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4 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

Not saying it doesn’t happen, but in general I’m not a fan of criticizing people who are “experts” in their field when they are wrong about something we as a human race don’t fully understand or that inherently has a lot of uncertainty. I would argue that weather and covid are very similar in that regard.

Oh I agree with you more than you know. I don't think it's "right" but my point yesterday was, and is, that the CDC (rightly or wrongly) has caused a lot of confusion and frustration. Hey, it might have been for the right reasons, but that doesn't change the impact the changes have had on the end user. 

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Just now, pasnownut said:

Then Pittsburgh is much nicer to them then round here...:P

I mean weather enthusiasts with even a moderate amount of understanding of the topic. I’m not talking about the jackasses who comment on NWS Facebook/Twitter posts. Pittsburghers bitch about weather, sports, anything more than most.

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3 minutes ago, Bubbler86 said:

Your point is always an interesting one as Met's are one of the few positions that can get away with being wrong so often because the science is so inexact.  So you could apply that to scientists as well I guess.  But the May guidance was too rosy and too pointed toward making people happy when in reality there was always a good chance masking and restrictions where coming back.  

Yes. They went way too far way too fast. (though, a lot in the country were asking for what they got)

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Just now, TimB84 said:

As with all politics-adjacent topics, the discourse is controlled by people who have spent their whole lives telling the people who cast votes for them what they want to hear.

Indeed.  I would just hope the CDC would be the hard core science folks who tell it how it is and not try to please the masses.  They did say that things could change in the future but they spent a lot of time emphasizing "getting back to normal" and probably could have been more realistic and say "lets check on this again in a few months". 

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4 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

I mean weather enthusiasts with even a moderate amount of understanding of the topic. I’m not talking about the jackasses who comment on NWS Facebook/Twitter posts. Pittsburghers bitch about weather, sports, anything more than most.

does CTP count???

 

asking for a friend......

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2 hours ago, mahantango#1 said:

Come sometime later September, October when I lose the sun due to the angle and living along the bottom of the mountain. MDT will usually beat me out on high temperatures during the day. I'm not ready for that, limited  sun during  the later fall and winter season and the dampness to go along with it too.

Not into the higher 95+ temps but I love summer, and I love the extended daylight. We’re not even out of July yet and I’m already not wanting it to end.

This summer has been quite nice so far; a something-for-everyone mix of higher temps with cooler than average periods scattered throughout. I know a lot of us still need more rain, but even there it seems like most of us have done at least a little better than last year. Hopefully we continue to fend off the extreme, sustained heat that’s been baking the west and midwest this season.

 

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1 minute ago, pasnownut said:

does CTP count???

 

asking for a friend......

I don’t often look at CTP’s social media, or NWS social media pages in general, because of the aforementioned issue of the clueless masses chewing out mets.

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47 minutes ago, Bubbler86 said:

I saw the name of the Green Tagger and can PM you with it if you want to ask them for a reason.

 

 

 

 

Yes thanks that could be helpful.  Not trying to find out who got the post taken down or anything like that.  Not interested in any type of petty fight.  But it would be helpful to understand the reasoning for the removal so I know what to expect going forward.  I am a big fan of consistency ha.

 

10 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

 

The only thing I’ll say to this is, we don’t bash meteorologists when they’re wrong or reverse course on something.

You make a good point, although I would add that meteorologists build loads of uncertainty into their forecast.  Now, I'll grant you that most people don't know how to interpret that uncertainty haha, and when you actually break it down on that level meteorologists do quite well.  One of the points I was making yesterday is that it would behoove the CDC and health professionals to show a bit more humility and admit when they simply don't know something.  Again, no one minds a "we don't know" comment so long as it's honest.  Just don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.  The word "science" also gets thrown around entirely too much in regards to all things Covid.  Science is the acceleration of gravity being 9.8 meters per second squared.  Repeatable observable experimentation.  Fact.  So much of the policy surrounding covid is flying blind or trying to make bold predictions based on limited knowledge.  It seems like anyone can just shout "follow the science" as cover to do whatever they please, and as someone who graduated from a college of science, I just don't buy it.  But I do hear you Tim, nothing easy about any of this.

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Just now, Bubbler86 said:

Keep kicking those ridges out. 

truth pal....

starting to really think we get a repeat summer like the one that i referenced last week  ( think Tim said 06').  Most of conus cooked, while we were saved by the NW flow here in the NE.  

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4 minutes ago, pasnownut said:

truth pal....

starting to really think we get a repeat summer like the one that i referenced last week  ( think Tim said 06').  Most of conus cooked, while we were saved by the NW flow here in the NE.  

I agree and this is with the fact that MDT had their 3rd warmest June ever recorded.  It was close to record setting but nothing like many others records. 

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Hi Guys...

I'm thinking now might be a good time to propose the following given the overall amount of OT (and I'm not talking about just sports):  How about we start a separate OT thread so that anyone and everyone who wants to express their opinions about any other topic other than weather has a place to do it?  I've felt this way ever since the number of OT-related posts was quickly infiltrating this beloved weather thread.  Would it really be that inconvenient to have to go back one menu level and select that thread?  Better yet...how about you open a second tab with the OT window just a simple click away??  Just to cite one example of having the benefits of the OT thread...perhaps @Mount Joy Snowmanand his censored post from yesterday would have survived and would still be there today for others to see?  After all, if his post had been in an OT thread, that would have made it much harder to be removed since the whole purpose of an OT thread is to talk about other topics.  To say that I'm livid over the removal of that censored post would be an understatement.  I never got the chance to read it...and maybe I really would have liked to.  As far as I'm concerned that moderator...whoever he is...needs to come back here and give us his reason(s) for the post's removal.  Wouldn't it have been much easier to have PM'd @Mount Joy Snowmanto discuss whatever the issue was that was complained about?  I'll stop now before this post gets censored too!!

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1 minute ago, CarlislePaWx said:

Hi Guys...

I'm thinking now might be a good time to propose the following given the overall amount of OT (and I'm not talking about just sports):  How about we start a separate OT thread so that anyone and everyone who wants to express their opinions about any other topic other than weather has a place to do it?  I've felt this way ever since the number of OT-related posts was quickly infiltrating this beloved weather thread.  Would it really be that inconvenient to have to go back one menu level and select that thread?  Better yet...how about you open a second tab with the OT window just a simple click away??  Just to cite one example of having the benefits of the OT thread...perhaps @Mount Joy Snowmanand his censored post from yesterday would have survived and would still be there today for others to see?  After all, if his post had been in an OT thread, that would have made it much harder to be removed since the whole purpose of an OT thread is to talk about other topics.  To say that I'm livid over the removal of that censored post would be an understatement.  I never got the chance to read it...and maybe I really would have liked to.  As far as I'm concerned that moderator...whoever he is...needs to come back here and give us his reason(s) for the post's removal.  Wouldn't it have been much easier to have PM'd @Mount Joy Snowmanto discuss whatever the issue was that was complained about?  I'll stop now before this post gets censored too!!

I am not a fan of an OT thread in here because we typically do not talk about anything other than weather unless we are in the summer months when it is slowwww moving. But whatever works. 

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17 minutes ago, paweather said:

I am not a fan of an OT thread in here because we typically do not talk about anything other than weather unless we are in the summer months when it is slowwww moving. But whatever works. 

Had this thought awhile back but I feel the two main issues would be 1) not much buy-in or 2) it wouldn’t work anyway because things devolve into off-topic banter without much warning and it’d be hard to contain. But wouldn’t be against giving it a shot.

Would still have to be very careful with topics like covid because of how divisive they are.

It would, however, potentially prevent people from having to read about the USA basketball team or the Pirates or Orioles or Steelers or Cowboys or masks or vaccines or the Pillow carnival if they don’t want to.

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