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Just now, tamarack said:

Last year we had a long and (usually) informative COVID-19 thread.  Then a minority chose to troll incessantly and trash other members to the point where the mods understandably closed the thread.  Hoping that doesn't reoccur (and it took a half dozen or so folks engaging in that boorishness to bring it down, not just one.)

I give it 6 hrs to be closed now that the Trix has showed up....

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Just now, tamarack said:

Last year we had a long and (usually) informative COVID-19 thread.  Then a minority chose to troll incessantly and trash other members to the point where the mods understandably closed the thread.  Hoping that doesn't reoccur (and it took a half dozen or so folks engaging in that boorishness to bring it down, not just one.)

It's become far more politicized now that we've got vaccines out there and we as a Country are virtually wide open again.  There's polarizing talking points on both sides with little acceptance or compromise about some ways we can move forward and not backwards to where we were.  

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Dr. Eric Topol wrote a good article on how America is flying blind when it comes to the Delta variant...

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/09/america-is-flying-blind-when-it-comes-to-the-delta-variant

 

I wonder if the lack of counting of breakthrough cases in our country is because they just want to keep calling it "a pandemic of the unvaccinated" here. We know from data from other countries like the UK and Israel that there are a huge amount of breakthrough cases. And as Eric Topol mentions in the article, some countries are reporting that 10% to 20% of their hospitalizations are in vaccinated people. In fact I just read an article that talked about the fact that the UK just released data on their Delta variant hospitalizations from July 19th to August 2nd. Of the 1,467 people that were hospitalized, 512 people (34.9%) were vaccinated. You have to wonder why other countries are reporting that a much higher percentage of people in hospitals are vaccinated. The United States just is not being honest about the fact that the Delta variant is causing a significant threat to vaccinated people. I was just reading about the outbreak that Iceland is having right now. They thought Covid was over, but now they're having a big outbreak due to the Delta variant. In Iceland, 93% of the population over 16 years old is vaccinated. Yet they're seeing an outbreak. The vaccines just are not stopping the transmission of the Delta variant.

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5 minutes ago, winterwx21 said:

Dr. Eric Topol wrote a good article on how America is flying blind when it comes to the Delta variant...

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/09/america-is-flying-blind-when-it-comes-to-the-delta-variant

 

I wonder if the lack of counting of breakthrough cases in our country is because they just want to keep calling it "a pandemic of the unvaccinated" here. We know from data from other countries like the UK and Israel that there are a huge amount of breakthrough cases. And as Eric Topol mentions in the article, some countries are reporting that 10% to 20% of their hospitalizations are in vaccinated people. In fact I just read an article that talked about the fact that the UK just released data on their Delta variant hospitalizations from July 19th to August 2nd. Of the 1,467 people that were hospitalized, 512 people (34.9%) were vaccinated. You have to wonder why other countries are reporting that a much higher percentage of people in hospitals are vaccinated. The United States just is not being honest about the fact that the Delta variant is causing a significant threat to vaccinated people. I was just reading about the outbreak that Iceland is having right now. They thought Covid was over, but now they're having a big outbreak due to the Delta variant. In Iceland, 93% of the population over 16 years old is vaccinated. Yet they're seeing an outbreak. The vaccines just are not stopping the transmission of the Delta variant.

link us up to these 2 articles. thanks.

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1 hour ago, Damage In Tolland said:

They’re only lies if you don’t believe them 

Good afternoon DiT. If we created a weather philosophy sub forum, this statement could easily be the starter thread. As always ….

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55 minutes ago, WhitinsvilleWX said:

Just don’t engage her. A little self control. If you don’t respond to it, there’s little reason to stay. She justs want attention. So why give it to her. Ignore it.

I’m not speaking directly about one poster, it’s more just a intent to cause drama and I think some welcome that to shut this Covid talk down 

 

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Just now, HoarfrostHubb said:

One downside to Iceland.  No A/C and they keep everything on “warm” since the heat is basically free.    Not so good if temps are 18-22C.    

What are the temps (F) where you are. I need cool temps to sleep or I turn into a monster 

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33 minutes ago, wxtrix said:

all the Big Brains in this thread are threatened by people asking for fact-based proof.

Alot of its predicting what the future will look like. Its already changed.

For exp. Vaccine passports

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16 minutes ago, winterwx21 said:

Dr. Eric Topol wrote a good article on how America is flying blind when it comes to the Delta variant...

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/09/america-is-flying-blind-when-it-comes-to-the-delta-variant

 

I wonder if the lack of counting of breakthrough cases in our country is because they just want to keep calling it "a pandemic of the unvaccinated" here. We know from data from other countries like the UK and Israel that there are a huge amount of breakthrough cases. And as Eric Topol mentions in the article, some countries are reporting that 10% to 20% of their hospitalizations are in vaccinated people. In fact I just read an article that talked about the fact that the UK just released data on their Delta variant hospitalizations from July 19th to August 2nd. Of the 1,467 people that were hospitalized, 512 people (34.9%) were vaccinated. You have to wonder why other countries are reporting that a much higher percentage of people in hospitals are vaccinated. The United States just is not being honest about the fact that the Delta variant is causing a significant threat to vaccinated people. I was just reading about the outbreak that Iceland is having right now. They thought Covid was over, but now they're having a big outbreak due to the Delta variant. In Iceland, 93% of the population over 16 years old is vaccinated. Yet they're seeing an outbreak. The vaccines just are not stopping the transmission of the Delta variant.

Like masking and distancing has done so much to get rid of this world wide. :lol: So by all means, let’s do more if it. 
Pretty clear at this point the vax is only good for about 6-8 months. 
If your sick, stay home, drink fluids, take Tylenol. If your really sick, go to the hospital. Basically the same as we’ve done for the last several generations. This isnt going way. Learn to live with it or live in a closet with 5 masks and a face shield and wither your life away scared shyte less. 
I’ll take booster if it’s offered, and everyone should get vaxed. But society is going to have to move on or we become enslaved to it. 
Myself, I’d rather be 6 feet under than live masked, distanced and scared.

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20 minutes ago, wxtrix said:

link us up to these 2 articles. thanks.

The data on recent Delta hospitalizations in the UK...

 

https://eturbonews.com/3000042/hundreds-of-vaccinated-people-hospitalized-in-uk-with-delta/

 

There are plenty of articles on the problems that Iceland is having right now. I assume you know how to do a search. Here is one where the chief epidemiologist of Iceland talks about how they're finding that vaccinated people can easily contract and spread the virus...

 

https://www.icelandreview.com/society/covid-19-in-iceland-vaccination-has-not-led-to-herd-immunity-says-chief-epidemiologist/

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Just now, natedizel said:

It is for entering resturaunts or countries. You need a link for that?

many countries have had vaccination requirements for years now.

and it's new for restaurants because we're literally in a pandemic. not sure why you wingers can't grasp that simple reality.

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6 minutes ago, winterwx21 said:

huh? that doesn't provide any context for the percentage of people who were fully-vaccinated (2 shots + 2 weeks) who tested positive, were hospitalized, or died.

6 minutes ago, winterwx21 said:

 

There are plenty of articles on the problems that Iceland is having right now. I assume you know how to do a search. Here is one where the chief epidemiologist of Iceland talks about how they're finding that vaccinated people can easily contract and spread the virus...

 

https://www.icelandreview.com/society/covid-19-in-iceland-vaccination-has-not-led-to-herd-immunity-says-chief-epidemiologist/

the point of the vaccine is to minimize severe cases and/or death, not to stop transmission.  and the reason that the delta variant has spread is that people won't get vaccinated and won't wear a stupid mask for a short period of time.

good grief.

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Meanwhile, gobermant wants to mandate some more nice measures for us fine citizens

 

VERIFY: Yes, if passed, the infrastructure bill would eventually mandate alcohol monitoring systems in cars. The Verify team looked into social media claims that the massive 2,700 page bill includes a section mandating alcohol monitoring devices in new cars. This is true.

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1 hour ago, Baroclinic Zone said:

It's become far more politicized now that we've got vaccines out there and we as a Country are virtually wide open again.  There's polarizing talking points on both sides with little acceptance or compromise about some ways we can move forward and not backwards to where we were.  

This thread has been polluted for a long time. The anti vaxx crap and government conspiracy is not ****ing banter and it shouldnt ****ing be here. 

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44 minutes ago, WhitinsvilleWX said:

Like masking and distancing has done so much to get rid of this world wide. :lol: So by all means, let’s do more if it. 
Pretty clear at this point the vax is only good for about 6-8 months. 
If your sick, stay home, drink fluids, take Tylenol. If your really sick, go to the hospital. Basically the same as we’ve done for the last several generations. This isnt going way. Learn to live with it or live in a closet with 5 masks and a face shield and wither your life away scared shyte less. 
I’ll take booster if it’s offered, and everyone should get vaxed. But society is going to have to move on or we become enslaved to it. 
Myself, I’d rather be 6 feet under than live masked, distanced and scared.

More ****ing bullshit. It never ends in here. 

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48 minutes ago, STILL N OF PIKE said:

What are the temps (F) where you are. I need cool temps to sleep or I turn into a monster 

This afternoon car thermo was reading 19C.   So 66F or so.   Sun feels strong though. Plus it doesn’t set until after 10.   Our hotel room (plus restaurants and stores) is very warm. 

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27 minutes ago, wxtrix said:

huh? that doesn't provide any context for the percentage of people who were fully-vaccinated (2 shots + 2 weeks) who tested positive, were hospitalized, or died.

the point of the vaccine is to minimize severe cases and/or death, not to stop transmission.  and the reason that the delta variant has spread is that people won't get vaccinated and won't wear a stupid mask for a short period of time.

good grief.

How about vaccinated folks without a mask? They can't spread it. Do you have a link to a study?

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