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1 minute ago, kdxken said:

How about vaccinated folks without a mask? They can't spread it. Do you have a link to a study?

what about them? CDC guidance says they should wear masks when in indoor public spaces if they are in a high transmission area for delta.

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1 minute ago, kdxken said:

How about vaccinated folks without a mask? They can't spread it. Do you have a link to a study?

Vaccinated folks are far less likely to get symptoms, hospitalized, and die. They are less likely to get infected and less likely to spread it. 

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1 minute ago, OSUmetstud said:

Vaccinated folks are far less likely to get symptoms, hospitalized, and die. They are less likely to get infected and less likely to spread it. 

Oh I understand that once vaccinated the virus becomes much less troublesome. Not sure there's any definitive proof that you are less likely to spread it once vaccinated. If you know of one please let me know.

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In yet another unexpected and unwelcome twist in the pandemic, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released on Friday a report strongly suggesting that fully immunized people with so-called breakthrough infections of the Delta variant can spread the virus to others just as readily as unvaccinated people.Jul 30, 2021

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Just now, kdxken said:

Oh I understand that once vaccinated the virus becomes much less troublesome. Not sure there's any definitive proof that you are less likely to spread it once vaccinated. If you know of one please let me know.

There's been a bunch of studies that onward transmission is reduced. 

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2107717

 

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1 minute ago, kdxken said:

In yet another unexpected and unwelcome twist in the pandemic, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released on Friday a report strongly suggesting that fully immunized people with so-called breakthrough infections of the Delta variant can spread the virus to others just as readily as unvaccinated people.Jul 30, 2021

That was probably unwise. First, you have to be infected to transmit, and you're less likely to get infected in the first place. Ct values being similar at an instance in time dont tell the whole story. Vaccinated people clear the infection much quicker than unvaccinated. 

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14 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said:

This afternoon car thermo was reading 19C.   So 66F or so.   Sun feels strong though. Plus it doesn’t set until after 10.   Our hotel room (plus restaurants and stores) is very warm. 

Ive been enjoying your Iceland pics. 

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4 minutes ago, kdxken said:

In yet another unexpected and unwelcome twist in the pandemic, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released on Friday a report strongly suggesting that fully immunized people with so-called breakthrough infections of the Delta variant can spread the virus to others just as readily as unvaccinated people.Jul 30, 2021

that’s the Provincetown study, which featured an atypical scenario. 

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3 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said:

That was probably unwise. First, you have to be infected to transmit, and you're less likely to get infected in the first place. Ct values being similar at an instance in time dont tell the whole story. Vaccinated people clear the infection much quicker than unvaccinated. 

Aren't they the experts?

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43 minutes ago, wxtrix said:

huh? that doesn't provide any context for the percentage of people who were fully-vaccinated (2 shots + 2 weeks) who tested positive, were hospitalized, or died.

the point of the vaccine is to minimize severe cases and/or death, not to stop transmission.  and the reason that the delta variant has spread is that people won't get vaccinated and won't wear a stupid mask for a short period of time.

good grief.

Fauci said masks dont work. Its in his private emails

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9 minutes ago, kdxken said:

Oh I understand that once vaccinated the virus becomes much less troublesome. Not sure there's any definitive proof that you are less likely to spread it once vaccinated. If you know of one please let me know.

so you’re wearing a mask in indoor public places?

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Just now, OSUmetstud said:

I think delta existed at that time, but it wasn't the vast majority of cases like it is now. 

Things have really changed with the Delta variant. Much more easy for vaccinated people to catch and spread the Delta Variant. Other countries that actually count the breakthrough cases are reporting large numbers of breakthrough cases with the Delta variant. Iceland has 93% of its above 16 years old population vaccinated, yet they're seeing a major Delta surge. I posted an article where the chief epidemiologist of Iceland talks about how vaccinated people are easily catching and spreading the Delta variant. And who knows how much worse it will be with future variants. Hopefully vaccines won't become less and less effective with each variant.

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3 minutes ago, wxtrix said:

then why are you worried about vaccinated people transmitting the virus?

I'm not, you and OSU are the ones claiming the spread is due to the unvaccinated. What I'm saying is the vaccinated spread it as well.

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Just now, winterwx21 said:

Things have really changed with the Delta variant. Much more easy for vaccinated people to catch and spread the Delta Variant. Other countries that actually count the breakthrough cases are reporting large numbers of breakthrough cases with the Delta variant. Iceland has 93% of its above 16 years old population vaccinated, yet they're seeing a major Delta surge. I posted an article where the chief epidemiologist of Iceland talks about how vaccinated people are easily catching and spreading the Delta variant. And who knows how much worse it will be with future variants. Hopefully vaccines won't become less and less effective with each variant.

Iceland has had a very modest pandemic from the beginning. I have seen their last wave...but its really small in the grand scheme and has only featured a single death I believe. I would assume hospitalizations are also very low. 

If the Ro of Delta is indeed near 6, then you would expect a fair amount of spread with a population that's about 70-75% fully vaccinated (I think including kids matters in the R calculation). 

I think there has been some drop in effectiveness against delta in terms of infection, but haven't seen anything suggesting a drop in effectiveness against hospitalizations and death. 

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1 minute ago, OSUmetstud said:

I said it's less likely, not that vaccinated people never spread it. 

New research out of ICL has found fully vaccinated individuals are 3x LESS likely to test positive for SARS-CoV-2 than unvaccinated individuals AND are LESS likely to pass the virus on to others, due to having a smaller viral load on average and therefore shedding LESS virus.

 

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Just now, BuffaloWeather said:

New research out of ICL has found fully vaccinated individuals are 3x LESS likely to test positive for SARS-CoV-2 than unvaccinated individuals AND are LESS likely to pass the virus on to others, due to having a smaller viral load on average and therefore shedding LESS virus.

 

I mean that makes sense! lol 

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