CoastalWx Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Starting to drop now. 69. Will smoke cause issues with radiating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Got my answer. Apparently it won’t affect outgoing long wave radiation, but will have an effect on incoming shortwave radiation, which is what we have during the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Just now, CoastalWx said: Got my answer. Apparently it won’t affect outgoing long wave radiation, but will have an effect on incoming shortwave radiation, which is what we have during the day. Interesting. Even really high cirrus seems to effect that outgoing radiation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, powderfreak said: Interesting. Even really high cirrus seems to effect that outgoing radiation. I guess particle size has to do with it. That’s what the experts say anyways. Can’t say I’m familiar with smoke forecasting lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Strong CAA. It’s the windiest all day. Gust near 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 40 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: Got my answer. Apparently it won’t affect outgoing long wave radiation, but will have an effect on incoming shortwave radiation, which is what we have during the day. Yup...net cooling effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 55/39 and windy. Def feels like fall. September of yore incoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BombsAway1288 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 hour ago, powderfreak said: Ha, on Boston craigslist with the VT unemployment numbers but struggling to hire. My wife manages the spa and tennis centers there. Nice property. 57/40 at MVL. Clear skies. I like a low of 36-37F with dense fog here. Fog will save us a frost but just above the fog layer will frost, maybe 900-1000ft. What's it pay? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 8 hours ago, PhineasC said: Yeah, well I will probably hit like 34/33 whereas Alex will somehow manage 27. LOL You can have it. I don't need the cold yet lol. Foliage starting to look good in spots though. Taken today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 19 minutes ago, dendrite said: Yup...net cooling effect. Actually overall I read the opposite. I’ll find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: Actually overall I read the opposite. I’ll find it. Huh? If you have reduced incoming shortwave rad and little effect on outgoing longwave rad how is there no sfc cooling? http://climate.envsci.rutgers.edu/pdf/RobockForestFire91JD02043.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorEastermass128 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Just now, dendrite said: Huh? If you have reduced incoming shortwave rad and little effect on outgoing longwave rad how is there no sfc cooling? http://climate.envsci.rutgers.edu/pdf/RobockForestFire91JD02043.pdf Agree. If it limits warmth during the day and doesn’t affect cooling at night, that’s definitely a net cooling effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, dendrite said: Huh? If you have reduced incoming shortwave rad and little effect on outgoing longwave rad how is there no sfc cooling? http://climate.envsci.rutgers.edu/pdf/RobockForestFire91JD02043.pdf If soot gets into the high trop and stratosphere, it can have a net warming effect in the mid trop. So overall it may be a slight warming effect while keeping surface inverted with cooler than expected temps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Just now, CoastalWx said: If soot gets into the high trop and stratosphere, it can have a net warming effect in the mid trop. So overall it may be a slight warming effect while keeping surface inverted with cooler than expected temps. Ok...so we’re on the same page I think. Warming the upper levels and cooling the sfc. Poor Wizzy and his lapse rates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, dendrite said: Ok...so we’re on the same page I think. Warming the upper levels and cooling the sfc. Poor Wizzy and his lapse rates. Yeah radiative budget was positive, but that was more because of warming in upper levels. Opposite effect from volcanoes. https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2019GL082360 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 54/38, Still a brisk NW wind, Don't know if we get in the 30's tonight but sunday morning is looking like a hard frost coming up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 1 minute ago, dryslot said: 54/38, Still a brisk NW wind, Don't know if we get in the 30's tonight but sunday morning is looking like a hard frost coming up. How do you protect your plants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Just now, HoarfrostHubb said: How do you protect your plants? Tarp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Pretty good chance I see 39F or within the next week. BOX has 3 nights where I get to 40F plus one 43F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 8 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said: Pretty good chance I see 39F or within the next week. BOX has 3 nights where I get to 40F plus one 43F Danger ahead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TauntonBlizzard2013 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Still fairly mild here.... 62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 62 but with a wind chill lol. Steady drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 44/35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 41/39 and dead calm. It is straight cold out here taking the dog for her night walk. 49F with a breeze up at 1500ft. There‘a the difference between mixed mid-slope and calm valley bottom. Radiators mount up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 48 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: Danger ahead? Carlos himself coming to visit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 41 here too. The wind has finally died down so it should radiate better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 The local temp differences are wild on these nights. Dropping into the upper 30s and calm in the lowest elevations while literally a few hundred feet up is still mid-40s. You can actually see MVL runway in this upper left on RT 100, the ASOS usually runs pretty close to that nearest PWS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanks45 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Down to 52 here already...I was hoping to keep the pool open for another week or 2, but it doesn't look very warm moving forward. The kids were only in for 20 minutes today, a good sign that things are getting a bit too chilly for swimming. The temp was still 74 this afternoon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 1 hour ago, powderfreak said: 41/39 and dead calm. It is straight cold out here taking the dog for her night walk. 49F with a breeze up at 1500ft. There‘a the difference between mixed mid-slope and calm valley bottom. Radiators mount up. Yep. Enjoy your fake cold down there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, PhineasC said: Yep. Enjoy your fake cold down there. Ha yup, into the 30s at BML and HIE near you, too. Looks like Alex is 37F too. We are at 39F and the drop has really slowed down. I’m thinking 36-37F locally. We may mist/fog soon. SLK in the Adirondacks down to 32/28 already at 11pm. That’s crazy. Like frozen bird bath in the morning cold there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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