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This is either gonna be a completely valid point, or someone's gonna try and hit it out of the park. But last time I checked, the population density of virtually any European country is far greater than that of the States. Just saying. 

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4 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said:

See my post above. The anti mask movement is driven by ignorance and anti science rhetoric. 

It isn't just anti-science rhetoric, or ignorance. It's a lack of trust in public institutions and the government in general due to the politicization of pretty much everything. 

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3 minutes ago, JoMo said:

It isn't just anti-science rhetoric, or ignorance. It's a lack of trust in public institutions and the government in general due to the politicization of pretty much everything. 

Its a large part of. This administration has submarined science and health purposely. The constant undermining of the CDC has been disgusting. Any science oriented person i know is ****ing tired of it. 

I just posted two instances of anti mask stuff from the admin. Many of these anti mask people are pro trump. Funny how that works. 

 

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41 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

Europe is the place to judge the US performance against, imo.  In late spring and summer, they showed what is possible when you get serious -- extremely low numbers.  And now they are showing what happens when you relax and the weather gets colder.  I don't think it is fair to compare the US to smaller countries surrounded by water.

I wouldn’t compare numbers no, but I would compare the response, especially given equivalent larger city populations.  

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Someone post where not wearing a mask helps stop the spread. Otherwise shut up about antimasking being alright or acceptable in any capacity.

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3 minutes ago, Stebo said:

Someone post where not wearing a mask helps stop the spread. Otherwise shut up about antimasking being alright or acceptable in any capacity.

But you see they got to keep incessantly saying it over and over again so that maybe doing that makes it true. 

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Just now, Geoboy645 said:

But you see they got to keep incessantly saying it over and over again so that maybe doing that makes it true. 

Yeah gotta keep the bullshit story going. All you need to do is visit any comment section of Facebook or Twitter. There are literally tons of people who think this will go away after the election.

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22 minutes ago, JoMo said:

It isn't just anti-science rhetoric, or ignorance. It's a lack of trust in public institutions and the government in general due to the politicization of pretty much everything. 

Okay but here's the thing with that argument, right: we've already established that it's common sense that a facemask will help prevent the spread of water droplets from your airways. You can prove this by simply trying to blow out a candle while wearing one. We're not talking about faking the moon landings here, you put the damn thing on and can see for yourself that the logic is there.

I seriously would like to know who you think is at fault for politicizing this pandemic. I am firmly of the belief that those not wearing the masks are the ones doing the politicizing. I'm not talking about shutdowns or stimulus checks, I'm just referring to the jerk-offs that regard PPE as useless because "they infringe upon my rights and only like 1% of people die from the China Virus anyway". 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Stebo said:

Yeah gotta keep the bullshit story going. All you need to do is visit any comment section of Facebook or Twitter. There are literally tons of people who think this will go away after the election.

Yeah that seems like a popular theory... that it will go away.  The virus obviously won't just go away and we should hope that the media coverage won't go away either as that would just result in more complacency.

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1 minute ago, StormfanaticInd said:

We may start seeing states shutdown this week. If not this week definitely the week after 

I saw El Paso is doing some kind of stay at home thing.

The spring type of closures should be a last resort.  I think you have to target restrictions to higher risk places (sucks for them) and see how that goes.

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23 minutes ago, Stebo said:

Yeah gotta keep the bullshit story going. All you need to do is visit any comment section of Facebook or Twitter. There are literally tons of people who think this will go away after the election.

 

14 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

Yeah that seems like a popular theory... that it will go away.  The virus obviously won't just go away and we should hope that the media coverage won't go away either as that would just result in more complacency.

And I don't get this...It takes a certain kind of...thinking, to believe this. To ignore everything...and instead then believe it's all some global conspiracy against Trump...I don't know what to call that, smh

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3 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

I saw El Paso is doing some kind of stay at home thing.

The spring type of closures should be a last resort.  I think you have to target restrictions to higher risk places (sucks for them) and see how that goes.

I would hope that this time around...with better testing than the Spring, we are in a better position to do more targeted lockdowns if necessary. Feels like the combination of us flying blind and still not knowing what we were dealing with led to the bigger shutdowns...

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50 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

I saw El Paso is doing some kind of stay at home thing.

The spring type of closures should be a last resort.  I think you have to target restrictions to higher risk places (sucks for them) and see how that goes.

To me its only a matter of time. This path we are on is not sustainable. Something is going to have to give and we know its not going to be the virus 

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1 hour ago, Hoosier said:

Yeah that seems like a popular theory... that it will go away.  The virus obviously won't just go away and we should hope that the media coverage won't go away either as that would just result in more complacency.

If Trump loses, it wouldn't surprise me if Fox News suddenly starts covering the pandemic nonstop throughout 2021.  They might actually increase their pandemic coverage.

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Whatever happens with Covid, it's already too late to walk away saying that as a country, we did as well as we should have. I know that Biden won't be able to pull a miracle out of his ass and solve the crisis, but I firmly believe that he will ensure that should a situation like this ever arise again, we will be much better prepared for it. 

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On 10/24/2020 at 3:18 PM, Hoosier said:

I don't want to get too far into politics, but honestly, Joe Biden will only be able to do so much if he wins.  From what I understand, it seems like a mask mandate probably cannot be enacted on a national level.  So it would come down to convincing the governors to change course, and then you need to enforce it and have the population buy in.  No easy task.  As far as I am concerned, the horse is kind of out of the barn on masks.  Maybe some people change their tune on masks if they get really sick or if someone close to them does, but that moves the needle at a snail's pace.  The virus is going to be a substantial problem for a while, and I hope that people aren't under the impression that a change in president would suddenly make it all better.  

The biggest issue is the failure to lead.  Even in such a polarized environment, you'd be surprised how much strong and effective leadership matters when it comes to navigating through a crisis.  Unfortunately, Trump has no leadership skills, is a poor communicator, and his management style has always involved chaos and infighting.  I blame our political system and ourselves more than him though.  After all, we basically hired a reality TV star with no governing experience to be our President.  This crisis is too big for him.

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5 hours ago, Malacka11 said:

Just gonna leave this here.

https://www.psypost.org/2020/10/trump-support-predicted-intentions-to-defy-social-distancing-norms-during-early-stages-of-the-covid-19-outbreak-58368

Those of you who believe Trump's actions do not directly impede efforts to curb Covid are a bunch of colossally ignorant morons. 

The fact that, once again, research and science (which I know people hate to hear) shows that these measures help prevent the spread of this has been defied, and practically ignored.  

 

No one is expecting either administration to pull a miracle out at this point, which won't happen no matter who is in that chair, but at least acknowledgement is better than blatant ignorance.  

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9 hours ago, Stebo said:

Yeah gotta keep the bullshit story going. All you need to do is visit any comment section of Facebook or Twitter. There are literally tons of people who think this will go away after the election.

That's what I don't really understand. They call it the "election infection" and don't believe it's real. They believe the numbers are inflated and that covid doesn't really kill that many people, but the underlying conditions do, and that it's basically just the flu. 

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10 hours ago, Malacka11 said:

Okay but here's the thing with that argument, right: we've already established that it's common sense that a facemask will help prevent the spread of water droplets from your airways. You can prove this by simply trying to blow out a candle while wearing one. We're not talking about faking the moon landings here, you put the damn thing on and can see for yourself that the logic is there.

I seriously would like to know who you think is at fault for politicizing this pandemic. I am firmly of the belief that those not wearing the masks are the ones doing the politicizing. I'm not talking about shutdowns or stimulus checks, I'm just referring to the jerk-offs that regard PPE as useless because "they infringe upon my rights and only like 1% of people die from the China Virus anyway". 

 

 

Bingo! This is the thing I fully never understood, while our country basically shut down for two months the protesting really shocked me. People en masse lost it, and politicians said I agree to garner votes. I don't get the anti-mask thing at all, just like the anti-global warming hate. You can accept these scientific truths and still say screw it and not wear one or buy an F250. 

 

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7 hours ago, Malacka11 said:

Just gonna leave this here.

https://www.psypost.org/2020/10/trump-support-predicted-intentions-to-defy-social-distancing-norms-during-early-stages-of-the-covid-19-outbreak-58368

Those of you who believe Trump's actions do not directly impede efforts to curb Covid are a bunch of colossally ignorant morons. 

What else would you really do though besides going into a complete lockdown?  Here in Chicago you can't go anywhere without a mask on and restrictions have been in place since nearly the beginning of all of this and the numbers still continue to shoot up.

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13 minutes ago, nwohweather said:

Bingo! This is the thing I fully never understood, while our country basically shut down for two months the protesting really shocked me. People en masse lost it, and politicians said I agree to garner votes. I don't get the anti-mask thing at all, just like the anti-global warming hate. You can accept these scientific truths and still say screw it and not wear one or buy an F250. 

It sounds to me like you're saying protests occurred en masse because of "lockdowns" - is that what you're getting at? What you also clearly don't get is the plight of Black Americans, who by the way, are still disproportionately affected by the pandemic. 

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Verbatim in the American email this morning:

"Enjoy fares as low as $99 one way to the people and places you’ve been missing, plus no change fees."

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19 minutes ago, kevlon62 said:


Verbatim in the American email this morning:

"Enjoy fares as low as $99 one way to the people and places you’ve been missing, plus no change fees."

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Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk
 

I work at an airport and I see who is flying, with these lower rates it is people who wouldn't normally fly to begin with. It is the airlines taking advantage of the situation to insure they have nearly full flights to keep their routes. Doesn't matter if people get sick as long as planes are flying.

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2 hours ago, purduewx80 said:

It sounds to me like you're saying protests occurred en masse because of "lockdowns" - is that what you're getting at? What you also clearly don't get is the plight of Black Americans, who by the way, are still disproportionately affected by the pandemic. 

I think he's referring to the anti-lockdown protests (armed buffoons in the MI state capitol, etc) which pre-dated the racial justice protests.

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