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21 minutes ago, Wmsptwx said:

Exactly, and not letting your conspiracies allow a dangerous virus to spread more prolifically. These anti mask people are doing exactly that.

Let’s not forget there are people who believe contrails from airplanes are actually chem-trails purposely being exhaled from airplanes as some giant government agenda to purposely poison humans. It’s not unreasonable to expect to come across people who believe Covid is some big conspiracy.

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A significant portion of our population is anti-science and anti-expert.  Everything is a conspiracy to them.  QAnon has gotten very popular over the past few months.

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6 minutes ago, Stebo said:

But we need to open the schools... I swear this virus is going to explode if schools open.

It is walking a tightrope but I think you gotta try to open schools in areas where the virus is not currently out of control or on the verge of that, while allowing for a remote learning option.

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15 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

It is walking a tightrope but I think you gotta try to open schools in areas where the virus is not currently out of control or on the verge of that, while allowing for a remote learning option.

The problem with doing it in those areas, which are mostly rural, if an outbreak does happen you immediately exacerbate the limited medical facilities and testing in those areas.

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9 minutes ago, Stebo said:

The problem with doing it in those areas, which are mostly rural, if an outbreak does happen you immediately exacerbate the limited medical facilities and testing in those areas.

Valid concern.  You'd need to be hypervigilant and not hesitate to shut it down.

Online learning just isn't as good as in person.  Maybe you can get away with that more for older kids... and that is assuming everybody has proper access.  

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1 minute ago, Hoosier said:

Valid concern.  You'd need to be hypervigilant and not hesitate to shut it down.

Online learning just isn't as good as in person.  Maybe you can get away with that more for older kids... and that is assuming everybody has proper access.  

Oh I get the restrictions on learning but to me safety at a temporary cost in learning is unfortunately needed. We definitely don't need situations like what we are seeing in Georgia of packed hallways. That is insanity.

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49 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

Valid concern.  You'd need to be hypervigilant and not hesitate to shut it down.

Online learning just isn't as good as in person.  Maybe you can get away with that more for older kids... and that is assuming everybody has proper access.  

Do they really even need to attend? Just take the year off, and graduate at 19. They said an estimated 40,000 kids in SC didn't attend any school once the shutdowns happened and regular attendance rates were 50%

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I've been told that some kids actually learn better via virtual learning.  The in-person aspect is good for socialization which of course is very important.  But throwing thirty kids into a classroom isn't necessarily a great way to teach kids.  That's simply the way we've historically done it because that was the most efficient way to teach kids at a mass scale.  We haven't done virtual learning for a long enough period of time to truly understand its impacts -- good or bad.  I think it's quite possible that a combination of virtual learning and in-person learning might be better than all-virtual or all-in-person.

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6 minutes ago, Powerball said:

In Michigan, after the company forced workers back into the office...

53 coronavirus cases linked to mortgage company United Shore

 

Found this on Reddit about United Shore. It's extremely detailed, but take it FWIW:

"I went there for a summer internship position, and for orientation they sat 100 interns in their small gym less than 6 feet away from each other, with only small plastic barriers barely separating us. They only separated the tables between us, so if we turned either way, we were still fully exposed to our other interns. Masks were completely optional, and I was one for 3 interns wearing a mask. We were sat in that room for 9 hours, only being let out for an hour at lunch, and 15 minute breaks ever hour or two.

I quit after my first day there, anyone with a brain could see that it was only a matter of time before there was an outbreak here. Walking around the facility, there were hundreds of employees in the dogpits, sitting less than 6 feet away from each other and not wearing masks, some desks didn’t even have the plastic dividers. During lunch, their cafeteria was fully open with no seating restrictions at all, everyone was sat close to one another.

There was no reason that their employees needed to be back in office. No reason. The only employees who needed to be there were sysadmins and maintenance. Everyone else could have been working remotely. This was a ridiculous display of ignorance on the company’s part. They put their employees lives at risk, when they so heavily proclaim that their “company is one big family”.

No one deserves to get this virus, it’s terrible and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone. In my resignation from my internship position, I made clear my worries about their coronavirus measures, and they ignored it. I wish the employees there the best, but this was completely avoidable had the company just had some common sense."

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14 minutes ago, snowlover2 said:

Second test he took this afternoon came back negative.

Well, one of them is right and one of them is wrong.

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In all seriousness, it shows the issues with the testing, particularly the rapid result tests.  As a layperson, I am not sure if the technology is there to have highly accurate rapid result testing for this virus.  

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5 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

In all seriousness, it shows the issues with the testing, particularly the rapid result tests.  As a layperson, I am not sure if the technology is there to have highly accurate rapid result testing for this virus.  

I think the Ohio governor testing positive then negative in the same day is just a ploy by the right to try to discredit the accuracy of testing. And it happens the same day the commander in chief himself was set to meet with the governor. How’s that for a conspiracy theory? :P

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1 hour ago, Hoosier said:

In all seriousness, it shows the issues with the testing, particularly the rapid result tests.  As a layperson, I am not sure if the technology is there to have highly accurate rapid result testing for this virus.  

All I know is the rapid result tests have a garbage response accuracy. Almost to the point that you'd be better off not taking one.

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9 hours ago, Hoosier said:

In all seriousness, it shows the issues with the testing, particularly the rapid result tests.  As a layperson, I am not sure if the technology is there to have highly accurate rapid result testing for this virus.  

So what you're saying is....there's alot of false positives out there?  On top of the people who have left testing and get a letter saying they tested positive.  Hmm interesting...

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59 minutes ago, dta1984 said:

So what you're saying is....there's alot of false positives out there?  On top of the people who have left testing and get a letter saying they tested positive.  Hmm interesting...

Its just crazy. I've have several friends who are Cleveland Clinic doctors that indicated testing is almost useless. According to them, you can test positive due to having past common colds. DeWine even said his only symptom was a headache -- which appears to actually be quite common in those with COVID so who knows. The docs I know said that essentially everyone will be exposed to this... there is just no getting around it regardless of mask wearing. And the shocking part is that they don't seem overly concerned about it. 

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10 minutes ago, NEOH said:

Its just crazy. I've have several friends who are Cleveland Clinic doctors that indicated testing is almost useless. According to them, you can test positive due to having past common colds. DeWine even said his only symptom was a headache -- which appears to actually be quite common in those with COVID so who knows. The docs I know said that essentially everyone will be exposed to this... there is just no getting around it regardless of mask wearing. And the shocking part is that they don't seem overly concerned about it. 

The antibody testing is even worse. Has like a 30% success rate. Matthew Stafford also had a false positive covid test. I spoke with a client of mine who works at department of health in erie county and shes seen several as well. 

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14 hours ago, Stebo said:

The problem with doing it in those areas, which are mostly rural, if an outbreak does happen you immediately exacerbate the limited medical facilities and testing in those areas.

He’s right though, I bet that church wasn’t following common precautions like mask wearing.  I think if schools opening do follow precautions like that it will be manageable. 

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15 hours ago, Inverted_Trough said:

A significant portion of our population is anti-science and anti-expert.  Everything is a conspiracy to them.  QAnon has gotten very popular over the past few months.

Absolutely. You add in the contrarians who are opposed to the precautions just for the sake of being opposed and you pretty much have a "how to spread a virus" playbook. 

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Their leaders are finally admitting what those protests in Michigan with the confederate flags were all about...

Michigan Commissioner Blames Black People For Virus, Uses N-Word

"When asked by a colleague why he wasn’t wearing a mask before the meeting on Tuesday, Leelanau County road commissioner Tom Eckerle said “well this whole thing is because of them (racial slur) down in Detroit,"

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11 hours ago, Stebo said:

All I know is the rapid result tests have a garbage response accuracy. Almost to the point that you'd be better off not taking one.

Not sure this is true stebo. Theres a strong push to get more frequent antigen testing off the ground with cheaper paper strip type testing. We are testing a great deal of the people far too late in the disease course for any benefit for contract tracing. On average, the people who are testing positve are no longer infectious so its only serving as a diagnosis, nothing more. 

 

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With the Atlantic hurricane season now expected to have at least 25 named storms, and the heat wave earlier this summer in Siberia, is it just me or does anyone else think that COVID-19 (the virus itself and the effects) might actually be altering the weather this year?  This article thinks so and is using the early Arctic ice melt as an example:

https://news.mongabay.com/2020/06/climate-conundrum-could-covid-19-be-linked-to-early-arctic-ice-melt/

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Record daily number of confirmed cases in Indiana.  Of course the positive percentage is important to look at as well.  That has been hovering in the high single digits.

Some states have gotten down to 1% or 2% positivity rate.  Never really got it down as far in this state, but otoh, didn't spike as bad as some others.  Been more of a slow to moderate burn.

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