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March or BUST! - Pattern & Model Discussion


Baroclinic Zone

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2 minutes ago, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said:

I like where we sit. Euro se and gfs close in. It’s like the reverse 90s rule that’s been working lately.

Yeah that happened in the previous two threats in the medium range (D4-6). I like a lot of aspects about this setup overall. I wouldn't really be worried unless this Euro-esque solution keeps showing for another 3 cycles or so.

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3 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

Yeah that happened in the previous two threats in the medium range (D4-6). I like a lot of aspects about this setup overall. I wouldn't really be worried unless this Euro-esque solution keeps showing for another 3 cycles or so.

It went from a massive hit to flurries in one run. Ensembles until Sunday night 

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3 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

Yeah that happened in the previous two threats in the medium range (D4-6). I like a lot of aspects about this setup overall. I wouldn't really be worried unless this Euro-esque solution keeps showing for another 3 cycles or so.

Euro has trended south though. 

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3 minutes ago, Baroclinic Zone said:

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We're discussing OP runs here, not Esmb.  What OP run from the Euro you smoking?

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I think you just proved his point. Thats OTS. Does anyone on CAPE really care about 3-6" after this recent event? 

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EPS are def pretty ugly. But that said, I'll remind everyone to take a look at the March 8th EPS for the 3/13 storm...they were hideous too. They really didn't start looking decent until the 3/9 runs (and the OP took even a little longer) which is why I'd give it another couple cycles. The GEFS def did better in the medium range. It doesn't mean they will beat the EPS this time though....EPS are still the best in the business, but right now they are def the SE outlier. GEFS/GEPS are well NW of them and so is the OP Ukie (no ensembles for that).

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3 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

EPS are def pretty ugly. But that said, I'll remind everyone to take a look at the March 8th EPS for the 3/13 storm...they were hideous too. They really didn't start looking decent until the 3/9 runs (and the OP took even a little longer) which is why I'd give it another couple cycles. The GEFS def did better in the medium range. It doesn't mean they will beat the EPS this time though....EPS are still the best in the business, but right now they are def the SE outlier. GEFS/GEPS are well NW of them and so is the OP Ukie (no ensembles for that).

Heck a day or two before this last storm people were cliff jumping lol

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4 minutes ago, WintersComing said:

Heck a day or two before this last storm people were cliff jumping lol

Well that happens in every storm. :lol:

 

But empirically speaking, the EPS didn't start showing a pretty threatening signal until once inside of 100 hours, so that is why I'd wait a little longer on the current threat...especially since it is the southeast outlier amongst multi-model ensemble guidance.

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I'd also add that the EPS tends to move along with the operational a bit more readily as a mean ... So the Euro went disjointed more so and lost some coherency etc... this run being flat could really just be a mean/average of the same shebang -  ... 

For me, the bigger telling aspect is the discontinuity that Kevin (of all people..heh) succinctly expressed awhile ago with that blurb about 12z off, 00z on, 12z off oscillatory confusion. 

It really means the model cluster isn't very good with this and I'd leave it at that.  Or as Will said... just give it a day and a half. 

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2 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

I'd also add that the EPS tends to move along with the operational a bit more readily as a mean ... So the Euro went disjointed more so and lost some coherency etc... this run being flat could really just be a mean/average of the same shebang -  ... 

For me, the bigger telling aspect is the discontinuity that Kevin (of all people..heh) succinctly expressed awhile ago with that blurb about 12z off, 00z on, 12z off oscillatory confusion. 

It really means the model cluster isn't very good with this and I'd leave it at that.  Or as Will said... just give it a day and half. 

And if all else fails......just run with the ICON...LOL

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1 hour ago, ORH_wxman said:

Yeah that happened in the previous two threats in the medium range (D4-6). I like a lot of aspects about this setup overall. I wouldn't really be worried unless this Euro-esque solution keeps showing for another 3 cycles or so.

Euro agrees with the 12z JMA; that tells us pretty much all we need to know about what it's showing.

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