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9 hours ago, NorthShoreWx said:

Seems to happen a lot here.  I'm only a mile or two from the Sound and there's a constant roar in the treetops during these storms.  I think there's a connection. The snow growth theory may have merit as well.

The good news is that while we may have less snow [depth] on the ground tonight, I find it lasts longer here.

I have family that lives near the NJ coast and I always notice the same thing whenever I experience the bigger coastal storms down there. Little wind seems to reach the ground and the trees barely move, yet it sounds like a busy airport outside. Snow quality is usually in the 8-10:1 range regardless of temperature, too.

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11 hours ago, NorthShoreWx said:

Seems to happen a lot here.  I'm only a mile or two from the Sound and there's a constant roar in the treetops during these storms.  I think there's a connection. The snow growth theory may have merit as well.

The good news is that while we may have less snow [depth] on the ground tonight, I find it lasts longer here.

Maybe thats why your snow totals are often a few inches less than the surrounding areas. Islip is just to your south and recorded nearly 16"

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14 minutes ago, psv88 said:

Maybe thats why your snow totals are often a few inches less than the surrounding areas. Islip is just to your south and recorded nearly 16"

Could be.  Also, in neighborhoods with small lot sizes half the snow is from roofs.  I'd like to think I' fairly accurate.

 

I've taken heat for low measurements but trust me, I want to win the golden shovel as much as anyone.

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2 hours ago, loadletterpaper said:

Too tired to finish reading the thread yesterday. Interesting for me to see the varying comments on this. I'm in Rocky Point, LI north shore, one block off the sound.  Even in the heaviest of the day, the earliest band, the snow was clearly fairly fine.  Even in slow eddies, I could only see occasional flakes up to maybe 0.25" at best.  The density of the snow here definitely surprised me when I went out to clean up.  Could tell snow blower was working a bit harder than expected. When I went to shovel non snow blower areas, found the snow very heavy, and very dense.  Not wet snow heavy, but much, much denser/heavier than expected.  My back is still hurting.  Drifting was interesting as well.  In places exposed to the wind, drifting was a definite factor - but more in the sense of recovering cleared areas and keeping other wind cleared spots clean.  One area of my neighbor's driveway was simply pointless to clear as it very quickly got recovered in snow.  But I didn't notice anything in the way of deep drifting in the neighborhood. Deepest in my yard was maybe 14" in a spot where I'd expect severe drift depth.  So I wonder if JFK's drift problem was similar - just dense snow that in the very high winds still recovered the runways. BNL is closed today due to issues with snow clearing and re-drifting, so I'm curious to see what kind of drifting they had when I'm back to work. 

Whether it was snow growth problem, wind shattered flakes or a combination - I don't know.  I suspect both were a problem out here, but thinking the wind was the dominant issue.

In any case, great storm. Glad it worked out much better for more of the forum than might have been expected.

for most of the event here in bk and at work in lic, there were large flakes in the air. i think the wind does break them up once they hit the ground, which is how the pack ends up dense.  snow:liquid ratios varied quite a bit in the city (11:1 at LGA, 17:1 at JFK), which to me is a testament of how hard it is to measure both liquid and snow depth in a blizzard. in reality, those ratios likely vary considerably hour to hour depending on whether lift is through the dendritic growth zone. it certainly was higher in those 30+ DBZ fronto bands and then lower as those bands move off. strangely, snow:liquid ratios in southern new england were 20-50:1. 

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3 minutes ago, purduewx80 said:

for most of the event here in bk and at work in lic, there were large flakes in the air. i think the wind does break them up once they hit the ground, which is how the pack ends up dense.  snow:liquid ratios varied quite a bit in the city (11:1 at LGA, 17:1 at JFK), which to me is a testament of how hard it is to measure both liquid and snow depth in a blizzard. in reality, those ratios likely vary considerably hour to hour depending on whether lift is through the dendritic growth zone. it certainly was higher in those 30+ DBZ fronto bands and then lower as those bands move off. strangely, snow:liquid ratios in southern new england were 20-50:1

I didn’t know 50:1 was possible...

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Was put up in hotel again last night here in Ewing for work so I have yet to go home back in Monmouth County. Only had what looks like around 4 or 5 inches in Ewing. Wife and kids couldn't get a good measurement for me back home due to the wind so I'll rely on the NWS official reports of between 10-14 inches by me.  Although PB said Colts Neck did have as much as 15 I believe. Not sure I trust my wife's measurement here though. These are the only three picks that were sent to me from Marlboro, Monmouth County.  I'm going home tonight so will be sure to take some shopping center snow pile pics. ha ha ha

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This past Tuesday, I ventured to say that the storm would be a near miss for central Union county in NJ, but I was wrong.  The trough deepened faster than it was physically showing and the precip shield formed closer to the coast than modeled.  Managed 5.0" of snow in Garwood, with a few gusts to near 40 mph.  Not quite hurricane strength, but I didn't doubt that could happen on the east end of Long Island.  The storm followed the NAM, which most of us were watching fairly well.  Most professional forecasts seemed in the ballpark.  I would probably get it wrong again, even with having "learned" from this one.  One slight wobble east or west could have made significant differences.

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3 minutes ago, Dark Star said:

This past Tuesday, I ventured to say that the storm would be a near miss for central Union county in NJ, but I was wrong.  The trough deepened faster than it was physically showing and the precip shield formed closer to the coast than modeled.  Managed 5.0" of snow in Garwood, with a few gusts to near 40 mph.  Not quite hurricane strength, but I didn't doubt that could happen on the east end of Long Island.  The storm followed the NAM, which most of us were watching fairly well.  Most professional forecasts seemed in the ballpark.  I would probably get it wrong again, even with having "learned" from this one.  One slight wobble east or west could have made significant differences.

The H5 low closed off south of LI but every model except the NAM did not pick that up until inside of 24 hours. Euro was closing it off well south, off NC and then re-opening it, shoving the storm and precip NE. It didn't pick up on the correct spot until inside of 24 hours.

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22 hours ago, Rjay said:

Hard to measure but I'm going with 13"

 

Bayville, 63 mph gust

 

Here's the rest of the numbers from the area:

 

 

CONNECTICUT

...Fairfield County...
   Stratford             13.2   308 PM  1/04  Public
   Monroe                13.0   307 PM  1/04  Public
   Norwalk               12.0   410 PM  1/04  Public
   Greenwich             11.0   430 PM  1/04  Public
   Wilton                10.5   257 PM  1/04  Newspaper
   New Canaan            10.4   315 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
   Weston                10.2   150 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
   New Fairfield          9.5   445 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
   Ridgefield             9.0   215 PM  1/04  Public
   1 E Berkshire          8.5   530 PM  1/04  CoCoRaHS
   Bridgeport Airport     8.0   100 PM  1/04  Co-Op Observer
   Bethel                 7.5   115 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
   Newtown                6.7  1239 PM  1/04  CoCoRaHS
   Brookfield             6.4   115 PM  1/04  CoCoRaHS

...Middlesex County...
   Haddam                10.5   515 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
   Clinton                8.5  1245 PM  1/04  Public
   Killingworth           8.0   147 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter

...New Haven County...
   Branford              12.5   230 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
   Seymour               12.0   324 PM  1/04  Public
   Northford             11.7   420 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
   Milford               11.6   120 PM  1/04  Public
   1 ESE Platts Mills    11.5   500 PM  1/04  CoCoRaHS
   1 ESE North Haven     11.5   453 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
   Cheshire              11.4   328 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
   East Wallingford      10.2   357 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
   North Haven           10.0   315 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
   Bethany                9.5   115 PM  1/04  Public
   Waterbury              9.2   430 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
   Southbury              8.0   100 PM  1/04  Fire Dept/Rescue

...New London County...
   Ledyard Center        10.5   313 PM  1/04  Public
   Gales Ferry            8.5   247 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
   Norwich                8.5   200 PM  1/04  CoCoRaHS
   Stonington             8.0   209 PM  1/04  CoCoRaHS
   2 SSE Shewville        8.0   315 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter

NEW JERSEY

...Bergen County...
   Cresskill              8.8   500 PM  1/04  Public
   Haworth                8.1   315 PM  1/04  Public
   Englewood              7.1   445 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
   Westwood               6.2   445 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
   Paramus                6.1   515 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
   Rutherford             5.8   430 PM  1/04  Amateur Radio
   Franklin Lakes         5.8  1245 PM  1/04  Public
   Ridgewood              5.5   430 PM  1/04  Amateur Radio
   Hasbrouck Heights      5.2   430 PM  1/04  Amateur Radio
   Montvale               4.0  1255 PM  1/04  Amateur Radio
   Ramsey                 4.0   430 PM  1/04  Amateur Radio

...Essex County...
   Belleville             5.9   430 PM  1/04  Amateur Radio
   Cedar Grove            4.5   415 PM  1/04  Public
   West Caldwell          3.2   459 PM  1/04  Amateur Radio

...Hudson County...
   Hoboken                8.8   346 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
   Harrison               8.0   530 PM  1/04  Co-Op Observer

...Passaic County...
   Wayne                  6.5   430 PM  1/04  Amateur Radio
   Pompton Lakes          3.0   100 PM  1/04  Emergency Manager

...Union County...
   Elizabeth              8.5   410 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
   Newark Airport         6.6   100 PM  1/04  FAA Observer

NEW YORK

...Bronx County...
   Bedford Park          11.2   330 PM  1/04  Public
   Morris Park           10.7   500 PM  1/04  Public

...Kings County...
   East Flatbush         12.4   515 PM  1/04  CoCoRaHS
   Midwood               11.8   430 PM  1/04  Public
   Brooklyn              11.5   219 PM  1/04  CoCoRaHS
   Borough Park           9.0   300 PM  1/04  Amateur Radio
   Fort Hamilton          7.1   100 PM  1/04  CoCoRaHS

...Nassau County...
   Baldwin               15.1   245 PM  1/04  Amateur Radio
   Carle Place           13.7   230 PM  1/04  Amateur Radio
   Jericho               12.0   346 PM  1/04  Public
   Bethpage              11.0   430 PM  1/04  Public
   Hicksville            10.5   400 PM  1/04  Public
   East Meadow           10.4   515 PM  1/04  NWS Employee
   Old Brookville         8.0   309 PM  1/04  Public
   Glen Head              8.0   146 PM  1/04  Fire Dept/Rescue

...New York County...
   Stuyvesant Town        9.3   400 PM  1/04  CoCoRaHS
   Manhattan              9.0   210 PM  1/04  CoCoRaHS
   Central Park           7.8   100 PM  1/04  Park Conservancy
   Harlem River Houses    7.0   350 PM  1/04  CoCoRaHS
   Greenwich Village      6.0   305 PM  1/04  CoCoRaHS

...Orange County...
   Gardnertown            8.5   400 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
   Salisbury Mills        8.0   329 PM  1/04  Public
   Monroe                 7.5   301 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
   Highland Mills         7.4   400 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
   Vails Gate             6.0   241 PM  1/04  Public
   New Windsor            6.0   428 PM  1/04  Public
   Mount Hope             5.0   415 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter

...Queens County...
   Queens                13.6   316 PM  1/04  CoCoRaHS
   Rego Park             13.0   500 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
   Little Neck            9.5   344 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
   Oakland Gardens        9.3  1245 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
   Whitestone             8.3  1241 PM  1/04  Public
   Rego Park              8.0   100 PM  1/04  CoCoRaHS
   Flushing               7.5   258 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
   NYC/JFK Airport        6.2   100 PM  1/04  FAA Observer
   NYC/LaGuardia Airpor   5.2   103 PM  1/04  FAA Observer

...Richmond County...
   Dongan Hills          10.2   505 PM  1/04  Public
   Great Kills           10.0   345 PM  1/04  Public

...Rockland County...
   Nyack                  7.0   247 PM  1/04  Public
   Spring Valley          5.0   310 PM  1/04  Public

...Suffolk County...
   Terryville            15.2   350 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
   Sayville              14.6   343 PM  1/04  Public
   Islip Airport         13.6   100 PM  1/04  FAA Observer
   Patchogue             12.5   259 PM  1/04  NWS Employee
   Commack               12.4   330 PM  1/04  Public
   Medford               12.3   115 PM  1/04  Co-Op Observer
   South Huntington      12.2   415 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
   West Islip            12.0   450 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
   Mattituck             11.7   315 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
   Calverton             11.0   150 PM  1/04  Co-Op Observer
   Saint James           10.7   200 PM  1/04  Public
   North Babylon         10.6   100 PM  1/04  Public
   Farmingville          10.5   242 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
   Sound Beach            8.8   415 PM  1/04  NWS Employee
   Ridge                  8.2   304 PM  1/04  CoCoRaHS

...Westchester County...
   White Plains          12.0   400 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
   Armonk                 9.6   405 PM  1/04  Fire Dept/Rescue
   Larchmont              9.5   230 PM  1/04  Public
   Yonkers                9.3   327 PM  1/04  Public
   Mount Kisco            9.0   505 PM  1/04  Public
   Ardsley                7.5   300 PM  1/04  Public


***********************PEAK WIND GUST***********************

LOCATION             MAX WIND     TIME/DATE   COMMENTS
                        GUST            OF
                         MPH    MEASUREMENT

CONNECTICUT

...Fairfield County...
   Bridgeport Airport      52   114 PM  1/04  ASOS
   Stamford                48   146 PM  1/04  CWOP
   1 SSW Stamford          43   206 PM  1/04  CWOP

...Middlesex County...
   Killingworth            47   100 PM  1/04  CWOP

...New Haven County...
   Madison                 50   120 PM  1/04  WXFLOW
   2 SSE New Haven         47   318 PM  1/04  NOS-PORTS
   Meriden Airport         46   344 PM  1/04  ASOS
   New Haven Airport       45   342 PM  1/04  ASOS

...New London County...
   USCG Academy            61   309 PM  1/04  WXFLOW
   Groton Airport          58   332 PM  1/04  ASOS
   New London              40   400 PM  1/04  NOS-NWLON

NEW JERSEY

...Bergen County...
   Teterboro Airport       43   425 PM  1/04  ASOS

...Essex County...
   Caldwell                41   400 PM  1/04  ASOS

...Union County...
   Newark Airport          44   438 PM  1/04  ASOS
   Linden Airport          43   435 PM  1/04  AWOS

NEW YORK

...Nassau County...
   Bayville                63   207 PM  1/04  WXFLOW
   Jones Beach CG          60   148 PM  1/04  WXFLOW
   Wantagh                 47   235 PM  1/04  NYSM
   Hewlett                 46  1246 PM  1/04  CWOP
   1 SW East Massapequa    43   350 PM  1/04  CWOP
   1 WNW Muttontown        40   203 PM  1/04  CWOP

...Queens County...
   NYC/La Guardia          52   449 PM  1/04  ASOS
   NYC/JFK Airport         51   147 PM  1/04  ASOS
   Breezy Point            49   234 PM  1/04  WXFLOW
   1 S Jackson Heights     48  1248 PM  1/04  CWOP
   Whitestone              41   102 PM  1/04  CWOP

...Rockland County...
   Viola                   47   430 PM  1/04  NYSM

...Suffolk County...
   Great Gull Island       64   335 PM  1/04  WXFLOW
   Eatons Neck             61   230 PM  1/04  WXFLOW
   Shinnecock              60   140 PM  1/04  WXFLOW
   Farmingdale Airport     59   247 PM  1/04  ASOS
   1 NNW Mattituck         58   129 PM  1/04  CWOP
   East Moriches CG        57   152 PM  1/04  WXFLOW
   Westhampton Airport     55   239 PM  1/04  ASOS
   Shirley Airport         54   424 PM  1/04  ASOS
   Napeague                54   125 PM  1/04  WXFLOW
   Mecox Bay               53   222 PM  1/04  WXFLOW
   Point O Woods YC        53   120 PM  1/04  WXFLOW
   Orient                  52   330 PM  1/04  CWOP
   1 SW Montauk            52   354 PM  1/04  CWOP
   Fire Island CG          51   324 PM  1/04  WXFLOW
   1 E Middle Island       50   430 PM  1/04  CWOP
   Yaphank                 50   305 PM  1/04  Co-Op Observer
   Peconic                 50   105 PM  1/04  NYSM
   East Hampton            48   115 PM  1/04  AWOS
   Cutchogue               48   418 PM  1/04  CWOP
   Montauk Airport         48   337 PM  1/04  ASOS
   Blue Point              48   100 PM  1/04  WXFLOW
   Fishers Island Airpo    47   215 PM  1/04  WXFLOW
   1 SE West Islip         46   159 PM  1/04  CWOP
   1 S Brookhaven          45   150 PM  1/04  CWOP
   1 ESE Copiague          43   340 PM  1/04  CWOP
   1 SW Deer Park          43   220 PM  1/04  CWOP
   Great South Bay         43   225 PM  1/04  WXFLOW
   1 ENE Kings Park        41   127 PM  1/04  CWOP
   2 NW West Islip         41   312 PM  1/04  CWOP
   East Northport          41   238 PM  1/04  CWOP
   Sinai Harbor            40   220 PM  1/04  WXFLOW

...Westchester County...
   White Plains Airport    58   153 PM  1/04  ASOS
   Larchmont Harbor        55   136 PM  1/04  WXFLOW
   Tappan Zee Light 14     50   108 PM  1/04  WXFLOW
   Croton-on-hudson        44  1258 PM  1/04  WXFLOW
   Peekskill               42   103 PM  1/04  CWOP


***********************SUSTAINED WIND***********************

LOCATION                 WIND     TIME/DATE   COMMENTS
                        SPEED           OF
                         MPH    MEASUREMENT

CONNECTICUT

...Fairfield County...
   Bridgeport Airport      33   217 PM  1/04  ASOS

...Middlesex County...
   Fenwick                 34   145 PM  1/04  HADS

NEW JERSEY

...Bergen County...
   Ridgefield Park         31   504 PM  1/04  URBANET
   Cliffside Park          30   324 PM  1/04  URBANET

...Essex County...
   1 E Irvington           38   405 PM  1/04  URBANET

...Hudson County...
   Weehawken               37   425 PM  1/04  URBANET

...Union County...
   Newark Airport          33   218 PM  1/04  ASOS

NEW YORK

...Kings County...
   Bay Ridge               41   420 PM  1/04  URBANET
   1 ENE Bay Ridge         39   419 PM  1/04  URBANET
   Bay Ridge               35   240 PM  1/04  URBANET

...Nassau County...
   Franklin Square         30   115 PM  1/04  AWS

...Queens County...
   NYC/JFK Airport         44   221 PM  1/04  ASOS
   NYC/LaGuardia Airpor    39   222 PM  1/04  ASOS
   1 SSW Bayside           35  1244 PM  1/04  URBANET

...Suffolk County...
   Islip Airport           30   256 PM  1/04  ASOS

...Westchester County...
   White Plains Airport    44   234 PM  1/04  ASOS
   Mamaroneck              31   125 PM  1/04  AWS

Here's the Nj totals  -  https://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=PHI&product=PNS

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53 minutes ago, L.I.Pete said:

 


Here ya go...

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:-D I see one of us qualifies as "essential".  Thanks for the pics. Definitely a much different picture than what I have local to my house.  I'm 90' or so above MSL and about 200' off the sound, but somewhat sheltered by trees - less so to the northwest than north and east.  Even so, new drifting today hasn't been much of a problem up here. The free sand application that blows up from the beach is a nice bonus I suppose.  BNL's 5000 acres and lots of open expanses make for more interesting times.  I feel for crews trying to clean things up.  I've spent enough snow storms there to know what it can be like.

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23 minutes ago, The Plowsman said:

Howell nj officially reported 16.5". Bayville with 18"

 

Some pix in northern Howell this am.

 

 

 

 

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I believe this was the heaviest snowstorm for portions of the Jersey Shore since Boxing Day.

ACY....14.2 vs 18.5 on Boxing Day.

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Public Information Statement 
National Weather Service New York NY 
955 AM EST Sat Jan 6 2018

...Summary of Blizzard Conditions for the January 4, 2018 Winter 
Storm...

The information in this statement is preliminary and subject to 
further review by the National Weather Service. 

A blizzard occurred on Thursday, January 4, 2018 over Long Island as 
well as portions of New York City, the Lower Hudson Valley and 
southern Connecticut.

The official definition of a blizzard is:
-Sustained winds or frequent gusts greater than or equal to 35 mph 
-Considerable falling and/or blowing snow
-Visibility frequently reduced to less than 1/4 mile (see note below)
-Occurs for three hours or more

Note - for this analysis, automated surface observing system 
visibility reports equal to 1/4 mile were included due to the nature 
of the sensor. 

At Kennedy International Airport, Blizzard criteria were reported 
from 810 AM to 143 PM EST. 

At La Guardia Airport, Blizzard criteria were reported from 751 AM 
to 151 PM EST. 

At Long Island MacArthur Airport (Islip, NY), blizzard criteria 
were reported from 756 AM to 140 PM and 326 PM to 456 PM EST. 

At Republic Airport (Farmingdale, NY), blizzard criteria were 
reported from 806 AM to 331 PM EST. The present weather sensor 
failed, but snow was verified by radar. 

At Brookhaven Airport (Shirley, NY), blizzard criteria were reported 
from 856 AM to 1156 AM EST. The present weather sensor failed, but 
snow was verified by radar. 

At Francis S Gabreski Airport (Westhampton Beach, NY), blizzard 
criteria were reported from 848 AM to 353 PM EST. The present 
weather sensor failed, but snow was verified by radar. 

At Westchester County Airport (White Plains, NY), blizzard criteria 
were reported from 856 AM to 256 PM EST. 

At Igor I Sikorsky Memorial Airport (Bridgeport, CT), blizzard 
criteria were reported from 852 AM to 1232 PM EST. The present 
weather sensor failed, but snow was verified by radar. 

At Danbury Municipal Airport (Danbury, CT), blizzard criteria were 
reported from 1053 AM to 353 PM EST. The present weather sensor 
failed, but snow was verified by radar. 

At Groton-New London Airport (Groton, CT), blizzard criteria were 
reported from 826 AM to 256 PM EST. The present weather sensor 
failed, but snow was verified by radar. 

Elsewhere across the Tri-State, near-blizzard conditions occurred at 
Central Park, NY, Newark Liberty International Airport (Newark, NJ), 
Teterboro Airport (Teterboro, NJ), Tweed New Haven Airport (New 
Haven, CT), and Meriden Markham Municipal Airport (Meriden, CT). 
These locations failed to meet the length of time criteria for winds 
and/or visibilities. 
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