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Novie is near, the first un-official month of SNE winter!


Typhoon Tip

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12z GFS does show how the US can torch but New England can stay in its own little world.

Day 5-9 is nice and seasonably cold as that high holds and energy seems to drop straight south out of Quebec, reinforcing the chill.  

Only one OP run but you can see how it could happen.  New England Has been in its own little world in a lot of the weather patterns the past couple years.

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hard to tell if you all merely contemplate/complain what the 12z runs depict, or if you really think that's what's going to happen... 

if it were me, i would say that the ridge is over 'bulged' and will likely attenuate some in future cycles... as well, the growing signal for lowering heights along the EC will become more prevalent than this weird 'toe-hold' just in New England thing. 

Fwiw - NCEP seems to at least tentatively concur, putting more emphasis on that as near as even D7..

XTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD 1134 AM EDT SUN OCT 30 2016 VALID 12Z WED NOV 02 2016 - 12Z SUN NOV 06 2016 ENSEMBLES REMAIN IN BETTER THAN AVERAGE AGREEMENT ON THE LONGWAVE PATTERN ACROSS THE CONUS WED-SUN. THIS WILL FAVOR A RETROGRSSIVE UPPER HIGH INITIALLY IN THE SOUTHEAST THAT TRACKS THROUGH MEXICO LATER IN THE WEEK. A CONSENSUS BLEND OF THE GFS/GEFS AND ECMWF/ECENS MEAN OFFERED A GOOD STARTING POINT. THIS WILL FAVOR LOWERING HEIGHTS ALONG THE EAST COAST AS A COLD FRONT SINKS SOUTHWARD THU-SAT. AN UPPER TROUGH IN THE SW STATES WILL CLOSE OFF AS AN UPPER LOW AND MEANDER AROUND ARIZONA FOR A FEW DAYS BEFORE WEAKENING AND PERHAPS PUSHING EASTWARD, THOUGH THE MODELS HAVE BEEN ERRATIC WITH THEIR HANDLING OF THIS FEATURE. THE FLOW IN THE PAC NW WILL LARGELY STAY SOUTHWESTERLY ALOFT WHICH SHOULD FOCUS MOST OF THE PRECIPITATION INTO SW CANADA. MORE WIDESPREAD BUT STILL LIGHT TO MODERATE RAIN MAY RETURN TO AT LEAST COASTAL OREGON AND NORTHERN CALIFORNIA NEXT WEEKEND, WITH LIGHTER AMOUNTS EAST OF THE CASCADES. FRACASSO

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2 hours ago, Typhoon Tip said:

hard to tell if you all merely contemplate/complain what the 12z runs depict, or if you really think that's what's going to happen... 

 

I generally approach it as if someone doesn't actually say they think that is what's going to happen and are posting about a specific model run, they are merely discussing what the model shows verbatim.  Like, if you reference a Day 8 ECMWF prog, I assume you are just referencing a Day 8 ECMWF prog...not that you think it'll happen per se.

 

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I generally approach it as if someone doesn't actually say they think that is what's going to happen and are posting about a specific model run, they are merely discussing what the model shows verbatim.  Like, if you reference a Day 8 ECMWF prog, I assume you are just referencing a Day 8 ECMWF prog...not that you think it'll happen per se.

 


But the Euro is the best model, it beats all the other models at day 8. So it will win.
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Don't see a vendor thread so I will just post this in here.

Larry Cosgrove released his outlook for winter 2016-2017 and its not good if you like cold and snow although confidence levels are not particularly high. He is also going with a very warm December which seems to contradict most outlooks.

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en-US#!topic/weatheramerica/PeySp4BFjEA

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en-US#!topic/weatheramerica/bBiWzmLaLSA

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en-US#!topic/weatheramerica/gbv3LItS4Yo

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en-US#!topic/weatheramerica/udrthzDZ-Dw

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5 hours ago, Rtd208 said:

Don't see a vendor thread so I will just post this in here.

Larry Cosgrove released his outlook for winter 2016-2017 and its not good if you like cold and snow although confidence levels are not particularly high. He is also going with a very warm December which seems to contradict most outlooks.

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en-US#!topic/weatheramerica/PeySp4BFjEA

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en-US#!topic/weatheramerica/bBiWzmLaLSA

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en-US#!topic/weatheramerica/gbv3LItS4Yo

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en-US#!topic/weatheramerica/udrthzDZ-Dw

Whatever he forecasts the opposite always happens. It never fails. Good news

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16 hours ago, Rtd208 said:

Don't see a vendor thread so I will just post this in here.

Larry Cosgrove released his outlook for winter 2016-2017 and its not good if you like cold and snow although confidence levels are not particularly high. He is also going with a very warm December which seems to contradict most outlooks.

Looks like an ex post facto forecast for last year.  :lol:

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The whole country is a blast furnace into Canada for the first two weeks. We will be in our own world with temps relatively cooler than what most of the country sees. Doldrums for awhile. The models do continue to show some retrogression of the GOAK low which will help pump the PNA up after mid month. But, to what extent remains to be seen.

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16 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

The whole country is a blast furnace into Canada for the first two weeks. We will be in our own world with temps relatively cooler than what most of the country sees. Doldrums for awhile. The models do continue to show some retrogression of the GOAK low which will help pump the PNA up after mid month. But, to what extent remains to be seen.

26 here, you mean its not going to snow on Kevs birthday?

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