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That strong Aleutian low which is typical for a +PDO pattern will pump

the ridging over Western North America and place the Northeast under

a mean trough with cooler than normal temperatures. The ECMWF

Ensemble agrees on this pattern through mid-month.

 

 

 

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https://fox12weather.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/ecm15day.png

 

 

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That strong Aleutian low which is typical for a +PDO pattern will pump

the ridging over Western North America and place the Northeast under

a mean trough with cooler than normal temperatures. The ECMWF

Ensemble agrees on this pattern through mid-month.

 

attachicon.gifecmwf-ens_z500a_nhem_6.png

 

attachicon.gifecmwf-ens_z500a_nhem_11.png

 

Fox 12 ECMWF Ensemble freebie 360 hrs

 

https://fox12weather.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/ecm15day.png

 

Overnight 11-15 day Euro ENS Mean has a deeper trough over the East and higher heights into the North Pole.

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Meanwhile enjoy some warm temps this week because you may not see them for a long time.

that is for sure just look at the indicies forecasts - all seem to be favoring a cold weather pattern after this week - other charts for December are coming around to the idea of a fast start to winter this year

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/daily_ao_index/ao.shtml

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that is for sure just look at the indicies forecasts - all seem to be favoring a cold weather pattern after this week - other charts for December are coming around to the idea of a fast start to winter this year

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/daily_ao_index/ao.shtml

One can only hope that if we do indeed get into a fast start for winter that when the pattern relaxes/reloads we can have a nice bookend to winter. Wayyy in the future i know but who knows maybe like last year it will be wall to wall cold by the time december gets here and with +PNA, -AO/NAO and weak el nino it will be quite a show again ;)
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Overnight 11-15 day Euro ENS Mean has a deeper trough over the East and higher heights into the North Pole.

Yep. Typically error from yesterday's day 10 thru 15 ensembles .

Seeing LP through Alaska and that west coast ridge yesterday I think most figured the trough in the east would get deeper on future runs.

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That makes sense give the strong +PDO pattern which favors that.

The set up was on the ensembles yesterday. Yesterday's 0z run showed the trough and ridge positions out west.

The European does a really good job in its 10 to 15 west of the Rockies. But it's too weak at times at 500 on the EC.

The euro ensembles error bias is show a limited trough in the east only to correct deeper as we get closer .

That kind of ridge extending so far north tends to send a deep trough into the east.

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This sudden flip and pattern on the GFS/Euro is very 1995 like, only real difference is the NAO will largely be positive the next 10 days if the forecasts are right, otherwise the overall trof in the east with numerous storm threats and inland snow events is similar.

 

Curious now as to how the next 10 days plays out. I'm just checking out the euro, and it has the AO, NAO, and EPO neg. at day ten. I had to look twice. Should be an interesting month. 

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The set up was on the ensembles yesterday. Yesterday's 0z run showed the trough and ridge positions out west.

The European does a really good job in its 10 to 15 west of the Rockies. But it's too weak at times at 500 on the EC.

The euro ensembles error bias is show a limited trough in the east only to correct deeper as we get closer .

That kind of ridge extending so far north tends to send a deep trough into the east.

 

Yeah, the Aleutian Low which was displaced much further east than usual for a +PDO in October is set to retrograde.

This is a good pattern for a strong ridge out west and a trough east.

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12Z Euro is a Weenies paradise

Thats certainly good news. Here we were not that long ago saying winter looked to be starting slow and ramping up as we got to january and so on. Now looks like we may have a fast start to winter and hopefully go wire-to-wire with cold and snow! Like poker with pocket aces, ill go all-in for you anthony! ;)

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12Z Euro is a Weenies paradise

You mean the 2 cold rain events at 120 and at 196

Please stop posting this cr.. man .

It's simply not true. Either you have no idea what you are looking at or you are an unapologetic liar that just wastes people's time looking to see what the heck you are looking at.

Please stop it's only November and you are in mid season form

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You mean the 2 cold rain events at 120 and at 196

Please stop posting this cr.. man .

It's simply not true. Either you have no idea what you are looking at or you are an unapologetic liar that just wastes people's time looking to see what the heck you are looking at.

Please stop it's only November and you are in mid season form

Mid season form! :lol: atleast he has a better track record that geno smith right now.

But seriously though paul my post was meant to be funny in response to his, you gotta love what the models are now showing us "currently". JB is beating the drum and hammered home that recurving typhoon as well in correlation with the -AO tanking. We may not see a legit snow event in november but the pattern is as good as it can get for this time of year IMO

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You mean the 2 cold rain events at 120 and at 196

Please stop posting this cr.. man .

It's simply not true. Either you have no idea what you are looking at or you are an unapologetic liar that just wastes people's time looking to see what the heck you are looking at.

Please stop it's only November and you are in mid season form

I don't expect snow in mid November, but I'd like to see a nice 975 mb low in northern Maine any day of the year. As a skier, that only makes tracking the weather more exciting as I root for various outcomes. So while it's not showing snowstorms verbatim it's still a cool and active pattern.
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Mid season form! :lol: atleast he has a better track record that geno smith right now.

But seriously though paul my post was meant to be funny in response to his, you gotta love what the models are now showing us "currently". JB is beating the drum and hammered home that recurving typhoon as well in correlation with the -AO tanking. We may not see a legit snow event in november but the pattern is as good as it can get for this time of year IMO.

2 cold rain storms on an OP run can never be viewed as a "paradise run " it's dishonest.

The euro ensembles have been on the deepening trough into the east by day 10 for a few days now .The CFSV2 has been looking colder for November since early this week .

That said his post is disingenuous that's all .

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This sudden flip and pattern on the GFS/Euro is very 1995 like, only real difference is the NAO will largely be positive the next 10 days if the forecasts are right, otherwise the overall trof in the east with numerous storm threats and inland snow events is similar.

It would b great to keep this kind of trough axis here from Dec into Feb

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It's becoming pretty obvious that initial warm forecasts made for November (myself included, unfortunately) are definitely going to be wrong. Yes, the month will start out pretty warm, but the Aleutian Low is going to retrograde to the west quicker than initially thought. This as well as other factors may try to lead to some high-latitude blocking as well.

Instead of a warm November 1-15 and average to maybe slightly below November 16-30 like I originally thought, it may be something like a slightly above average November 1-7, but pretty cold for much of the month after that.

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You mean the 2 cold rain events at 120 and at 196

Please stop posting this cr.. man .

It's simply not true. Either you have no idea what you are looking at or you are an unapologetic liar that just wastes people's time looking to see what the heck you are looking at.

Please stop it's only November and you are in mid season form

It's good to see coastals

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