Allsnow Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 -1 in acy last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 -1 in acy last night. ACY fell to -3°. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 ACY fell to -3°. Unreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 NYC keeps underperforming on low temperatures despite 850s of -20C or colder, very disappointing. You have to wonder how Central Park ever gets below 0F if it can't be done with 850s of -25C and heavy snow cover. Even in January 2009, we had a low of 6F despite 850s of -24C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doncat Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 It was seven imby this morning...ten degrees colder than Central Park was at 7am..Too bad our winds stayed up most of the night, didn't really go calm till just hefore sunrise, otherwise could have made a run at zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted January 30, 2014 Author Share Posted January 30, 2014 NYC keeps underperforming on low temperatures despite 850s of -20C or colder, very disappointing. You have to wonder how Central Park ever gets below 0F if it can't be done with 850s of -25C and heavy snow cover. Even in January 2009, we had a low of 6F despite 850s of -24C. It's really the same story for other locations around the region that rely on CAA with the winds staying up to set record low temperatures. A place like Long Beach that doesn't radiate well hasn't been at zero since January 1994. While this January has been cold, it still can't compare to the record cold of 2004 or 1994 here. Places that radiate well have more flexibility to set record lows since the snow storms this month coincided with the Arctic outbreaks. Also notice that this was the a rare January with such a stark warm 10 days between NYC single digits early in the month and late in the month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzo83 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 NYC keeps underperforming on low temperatures despite 850s of -20C or colder, very disappointing. You have to wonder how Central Park ever gets below 0F if it can't be done with 850s of -25C and heavy snow cover. Even in January 2009, we had a low of 6F despite 850s of -24C. I mean, I don't think it's even possible at this point which is crazy. Last week we had a good 11-12" snow cover, north winds, and it only got down to 7. I don't know what it takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 It's really the same story for other locations around the region that rely on CAA with the winds staying up to set record low temperatures. A place like Long Beach that doesn't radiate well hasn't been at zero since January 1994. While this January has been cold, it still can't compare to the record cold of 2004 or 1994 here. Places that radiate well have more flexibility to set record lows since the snow storms this month coincided with the Arctic outbreaks. Also notice that this was the a rare January with such a stark warm 10 days between NYC single digits early in the month and late in the month. I think we came close to zero with the early January outbreak. Didn't JFK get down to 3 one night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I mean, I don't think it's even possible at this point which is crazy. Last week we had a good 11-12" snow cover, north winds, and it only got down to 7. I don't know what it takes. The problem is the periods of north winds and snow cover aren't coinciding with the coldest 850s. Last week, 850s were only in the -20C range which isn't cold enough for NYC to get below 0F. When we had the coldest 850s in the first week of January (that brutal Tuesday), the timing was poor to go below 0F as the cold core arrived between sunrise and sunset, not during the nighttime hours. Furthermore, we had no snow cover. I think Central Park got down to 4F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted January 30, 2014 Author Share Posted January 30, 2014 I think we came close to zero with the early January outbreak. Didn't JFK get down to 3 one night? Yes, JFK made it to 3 which was the coldest since 2004 when it went down to 1. The last JFK 0 was 1994 and the last below zero was -2 in 1985. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hailstorm Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Colder air masses like we saw during the 70's into the early 90's. Do you think it is even possible for NYC to see arctic spells again in the future like we had during 1934 and the late 1800s? I would sacrifice 5 winter snowfalls to experience that myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 850's weren't impressive at all. ideal radiating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user13 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 The timing of the 850 wasnt good for us 6-8 hours faster and NYC would have gone below 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user13 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Wow check out the ice cover, looks like almost 70%... Superior is almost completely frozen which is unheard of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWCCraig Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Wow check out the ice cover, looks like almost 70%... Superior is almost completely frozen which is unheard of 1977 had almost complete ice coverage on all the lakes except Ontario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user13 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 1977 had almost complete ice coverage on all the lakes except Ontario. Yea 77 was the crazy year, although from what I read Superior has never fully frozen over at-least in the satellite era. We must be getting closer to 94 now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 today was the 10th day in a row with a minimum of 25 or lower in Central Park...It could reach 11 tomorrow...The streak will end probably over the weekend...The streak doesn't come close to the longest streaks since 1948... amount/year... 21 in 1981-82 21 in 1947-48 20 in 1976-77 20 in 1978-79 19 in 1967-68 18 in 1977-78 17 in 1969-70 17 in 1980-81 16 in 1989-90 16 in 1960-61 15 in 2002-03 15 in 2003-04...(27 days 26 or lower) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongBeachSurfFreak Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 It's possible that NYC could still get closer to 0 than it has so far this January in the future with a perfectly timed strong CAA event where the winds stay up. But for 1934 or 1800's type cold we would probably need something like a VEI 8 or some other major event which causes significant cooling. But even in those times, dipping below -10 at NYC was still a very rare event. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toba_eruption Nice post!I think ve8 is a little much though. That dropped global temps as much as 10-15c for 3 years (toba). That would lead to temps outside the tropics being as much as 20c colder then normal. I think something more like tamboura (year without a summer) would get us there. Unfortunately that one is just before reliable regular temp data in cpk. But snow in vt in the summer leads me we would have no problem going well below zero in a winter after something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWCCraig Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Nice post! I think ve8 is a little much though. That dropped global temps as much as 10-15c for 3 years (toba). That would lead to temps outside the tropics being as much as 20c colder then normal. I think something more like tamboura (year without a summer) would get us there. Unfortunately that one is just before reliable regular temp data in cpk. But snow in vt in the summer leads me we would have no problem going well below zero in a winter after something like that. Though before there was an official station; during the winter of 1816-1817, there were reports of NYC getting down to -26F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted January 30, 2014 Author Share Posted January 30, 2014 Though before there was an official station; during the winter of 1816-1817, there were reports of NYC getting down to -26F. That was probably areas to the north and west since the February 1934 -15 may have been the coldest since the winter on 1780 in NYC. http://www.nytimes.com/1996/02/06/nyregion/but-what-about-february-9-1934.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWCCraig Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 That was probably areas to the north and west since the February 1934 -15 may have been the coldest since the winter on 1780 in NYC. http://www.nytimes.com/1996/02/06/nyregion/but-what-about-february-9-1934.html Could of been. This is off Wikipedia, have to check sources to see if it's legit. Based on the freezing of the bays I think it at least got down to around -20F. In New York City, the temperature dropped to −26 °F (−32 °C) during the bitter winter of 1816-17. This resulted in a freezing of New York's Upper Bay deep enough for horse-drawn sleighs to be driven across Buttermilk Channel from Brooklyn to Governors Island.[10] At the New Lebanon, New York Church Family of Shakers, Nicholas Bennet wrote in May 1816 that “all was froze” and the hills were "barren like winter." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzo83 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 today was the 10th day in a row with a minimum of 25 or lower in Central Park...It could reach 11 tomorrow...The streak will end probably over the weekend...The streak doesn't come close to the longest streaks since 1948... amount/year... 21 in 1981-82 21 in 1947-48 20 in 1976-77 20 in 1978-79 19 in 1967-68 18 in 1977-78 17 in 1969-70 17 in 1980-81 16 in 1989-90 16 in 1960-61 15 in 2002-03 15 in 2003-04...(27 days 26 or lower) The stats you provide on our forum are virtually without parallel on the rest of the board, thanks for posting them. I feel like you could be asked any historical question about NYC climate and you'd come back with a wealth of data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted January 30, 2014 Author Share Posted January 30, 2014 Could of been. This is off Wikipedia, have to check sources to see if it's legit. Based on the freezing of the bays I think it at least got down to around -20F. The Extreme Weather Guide with the lowest temperatures of the 19th century at NYC doesn't have that account. It mentions 1835, 1857, and 1859 as being the coldest of the 19th century in NYC. I also read a story of NYC down to -15 or -16 in January 1780. http://books.google.com/books?id=SV229set7RIC&pg=PA61&lpg=PA61&dq=christopher+burt+coldest+temperatures+nyc&source=bl&ots=j9eeaZdzZ0&sig=5mykH53nXKFxQ7ugUjjay431sz8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ravqUqb8JcvNsQSiuoC4CA&ved=0CEYQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=christopher%20burt%20coldest%20temperatures%20nyc&f=false By coincidence, Feb. 9, 1934, was the 64th birthday of the old Weather Bureau. On that day for reminiscing, meteorologists noted that the previous all-time low for New York City was minus 13, recorded on Dec. 30, 1917. One meteorologist ventured that Feb. 9 was the coldest day in New York since the American Revolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdp146 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Following up on a previous post from last week about the ice on the great south bay. Figured today would most likely be the maximum ice coverage we get for the winter (I mean who knows) as it will warm up this weekend. I have never actually been able to get down to the by when it was frozen like this. It was a pretty cool experience from a weather geek perspective. If I wasn't at work I may have tried to walk to fire island (which is, of course, a terrible idea). The most interesting thing was walking up to the open bay and hearing complete silence- no water splashing up on the bulkhead. Even on the calmest days you would never hear it so silent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 It was reasonably cold on Long Island this morning with a low of +1 F at NWS Upton and a low of -6 F at Suffolk County Airport / Westhampton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+SNfreak21 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 -3.7 F below normal for Central Park, coldest since Jan 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FPizz Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Haven't gone negative all winter. Coldest was 1.3. Little nyc here in Piscataway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doncat Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 -3.7 F below normal for Central Park, coldest since Jan 2009Gonna be the coldest month here since jan 2004 with a departure of around -5.2 degrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 The stats you provide on our forum are virtually without parallel on the rest of the board, thanks for posting them. I feel like you could be asked any historical question about NYC climate and you'd come back with a wealth of data. thanks... we had six days in a row with a temperature 20 degrees or lower so far this year...not near any record also... since 1947-48 consecutive days 20 degrees or lower... 16 1960-61... 14 1947-48... 13 1980-81... 13 1989-90... 12 1978-79... 10 1967-68... 10 2002-03... 9...1993-94 8...1959-60 8...1971-72... 8...1976-77... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongBeachSurfFreak Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Certainly not cold along the coast right now. 27 here currently with very little radiational cooling in the light onshore flow. Overall a solid January with plenty of snow and cold. But the cold is effectively over here for a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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