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December 19th-20 Storm Thread II


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Yesterday's double crush runs on the Euro was amazing if just for great winter weather porn but how common with a coastal snow event of any magnitude is it for there to be runs like the euro that crush just about all of sne at some point leading up to the actual event?

Based on the last five seasons here in the Springfield Mass area we are at a deficit of about 40 inches or a little more...going on a 50 inch average.

The last storm which brought a foot plus of snow was the Feb 06 event that put down 16 inches where I live, however just west of here, literally a few miles some parts of Springfield only had 8-10 inches while just to the east of where I am (east forest park) upwards to 21 inches of snow fell, all within the city limits!!

I have only been in the Springfield area for five winters (this being my sixth). Is there anyone here who has lived in Springfield and measured an honest two foot event? I know kcef never has had one documented.

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I had a long day yesterday and I passed out around 10 PM and missed all of this model joy. A rare smart move on my part apparently.

It was never going to be much out here I guess and I wish the 12Z Euro hadn't gone bonkers like that. If it had been the GFS showing that kind of tease I definitely would have looked at it with a grain of salt, but the Euro inside 3.5 days doesn't usually mess up so bad. .

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The good sized snowstorm is certainly still on the table over near Boston..... Gotta hope for some inverted trough or retro action in ENY/WNE now probably.....

Wow...maybe the EURO isn't king. It's just a perpetual tease. Horrible...still hope at 12z and 00z tonight. But a couple inch snowfall won't cut it after all this potential.

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Yeah it could go east, but look at the unstable nature of the models. I honestly have no clue what will happen. I was pretty excited yesterday too, but the old wives tale of never being in the model bullseye 4 days out is true. I kept my excitement at a minimum and glad I did. IMO I don't really see much of an eastward shift at all. I'd say the odds are 60/40 maybe even 70/30 of this ticking west just a little. It's speculation at this point, because the model swings leave me almost dumbfounded, but look at all the moving parts here. It's no surprise. That said, I wouldn't be amazed if it went east a little more, but like I said...I think the odds are a little better of a westward shift...at least a slight one.

Couldn't have said it any better myself. I was pretty optimistic going into 00z last night but about 6"+ and I still feel that is likely but the weenie 2-3' solutions were in the back of my brain screaming to come out and play. We were all and are still pulling for a historic solution.

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Guys.. please remember what dt and Wes said last night.. that s/w wont be on shore until 12z! So lets wait through the 12z runs before we jump ship... srefs NW is huge IMO.. Nam will.certainly come west...

We are only 150 miles of heavy snow! Because this stalls perfectly

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Yesterday's double crush runs on the Euro was amazing if just for great winter weather porn but how common with a coastal snow event of any magnitude is it for there to be runs like the euro that crush just about all of sne at some point leading up to the actual event?

Based on the last five seasons here in the Springfield Mass area we are at a deficit of about 40 inches or a little more...going on a 50 inch average.

The last storm which brought a foot plus of snow was the Feb 06 event that put down 16 inches where I live, however just west of here, literally a few miles some parts of Springfield only had 8-10 inches while just to the east of where I am (east forest park) upwards to 21 inches of snow fell, all within the city limits!!

I have only been in the Springfield area for five winters (this being my sixth). Is there anyone here who has lived in Springfield and measured an honest two foot event? I know kcef never has had one documented.

24" in Westfield, most of which fell in 8 hours. 2001 (?). Awesome, awesome, awesome rates.

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Burbank jumped off the bus..."yesterday's models were an aberration." Oh well...we'll take whatever we'll get.

And we have no idea what that is. Burbank is probably right. But the flips are so severe what if it happens again? Truthfully Barry is a nice guy but tends in the absolutes. As in Hurricane Eduouard for the Boston metro area, "Here it is, it can't possibly miss us".......

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The decent for eastern areas/bad for interior 0z/6z suite all seemed to have an elongated 1002ish mb low form off the carolinas. I didn't go back to look at any of the really great models but from what I recall the earlier solutions were a bit more solidified with the SLP and really bombed fast coming straight for all of us.

Is this difference due to the lack of sharpness that's forming in these runs or is it something more related to the interactions of the southern and northern storms coming together or something that I'm completely missing?

Just an obs/question

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