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A change to a wintry pattern emerging after November?


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DT has some interesting thoughts on his website:

*** ALERT *** PATTERN CHANGE LOOK INCREASINGLY LIKELY AS MODELS MOVE INTO STRONG AGREEMENT ....

WINTER IS COMING... more shortly

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But...but others have confidently said that it will not be winter until the PNA and the DNA intertwine with an ambiguously tilted CDC during the next solar eclipse in the southern western middle eastern quarter hemisphere and everyone finally changes from analog to a digital converter box. How can these Mets sleep at night?!

I kid - come on...bring it in for the real thing :hug:

You can at least see why the PNA looks deceptive here.

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Maybe for the first time all winter...the 0z GFS is putting out a storm in the fantasy range.

I hope it comes before the Mayans end the world. That would disappoint the Brickster if comes a few days after :) Hmmm....can it snow after the end of the world it there's a + Pacific, and = Atlantic?

I have lived in Ga. a long while, and I've learned to not expect much before the week after Xmas. That's when the fur can think about flying. Maybe the mtn.s can get excited about long range possibles. Maybe if we get some cad we can get some freezing drizzle, and more over toward Lookout, but expecting another Cold Rain magic trick might be overly ambitious this soon after. Of course, if CR starts to sputter, out come the moles, lol. T

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6z GFS brings the real goofy to the table and thrusts most of the US into artic conditions. Also gives snow to portions of the SE...these are the fantasies we love to see. Grain of salt...blah blah blah.

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Yep, 6z run was quite a run. Of course it has anomalies nowhere near (or should I say, the exact opposite) of its previous run. Overall I like the theme of high latitude blocking developing soon, but where exactly those anomalies occurs will mean the difference downstream. GGEM and ECMWF through 10 days looks about the same, but more ridging PNA+ on GGEM, which would probably be colder for us. GFS has had some blocking in northeast Canada and central/North Canada for quite a few runs now, but not each time. Atleast this season we are now having some fantasy storms and cold showing up, whereas the odd thing last Winter was that almost never even showed up at all , in any models...which is a testament to just how bad the pattern was last year.

Also, with the -NAO pattern as of late, the Southeast has been cooler than average, esp. some parts. Augusta had about the 10th coldest November on record.

I say as long as we keep seeing -NAO, the pattern will offer the Southeast chances and this was what was missing last Winter...straight positive AO/NAO all Winter, then the negatives began in Spring. Bad timing.

Sounds like folks are wanting a lot of snow and Arctic cold in December (or to atleast see it show up within 2 weeks). Remember how truly rare that usually is though. We've been spoiled quite a few Decembers since 2002. As long as we don't suddenly lose the Eastern Canada/Greenland riding in Jan and Feb, I think the chances are very good at some Winter fun and games, even into March, but with the cold -PDO and Alaskan Vortex showing signs of coming back (even on ECMWF it works back in there), there will be back and forth dominators of the pattern, so maybe nothing sustained for a while. In my opinion, even with the Alaska Vortex and moderate to strong -PDO pattern, if (more like when ) the NAO goes strongly negative and there's a big Eastern Canada block, like we've seen a lot of, then that forces a supressed pattern which is actually pretty good for precip chances. It's not quite like a true Split Flow that we see in some El Nino Winters, but a system rolling from northern California to Oklahoma then forced to dive south before cutting up the East Coast (that describes many storm tracks in the 50s, 60's, 70s actually during -PDO, -NAO). So give it time..we're still only on December 1st.

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Didn't you just write off December? LOL! Did you get your irrigation and sod?

Power,

Lol! Well, the heck with good walking wx lol. I'll gladly freeze my butt off as a sacrifice to get to enjoy some good winter wx. Apparently, that is the secret...I write off an entire month and the very next Goofy shows a colder trend. I wrote that after the 12Z Goofy, including Ens., still showed a lack of much good news through 12/16. Then suddenly yesterday's 18Z suite

looked better. Also, yesterday's 12Z Euro ens. 11-15 looked a good bit better than its prior run. Then, as I posted, the 0Z GFS ens. 11-15 looked sig. improved making mid-Dec. suddenly look encouraging. Since then, the 0Z Euro suite looked much improved for 6-15 and then the 6Z 11-15 Goofy suite looked quite sweet!! That ens. has to what Robert just alluded: a very nice moist WSW flow for 12/12-16 with a massive amount of Arctic air not too far to our north. At the least, this would imply good rains. At the best, Brick and all would be dancing in the streets. By the way, don't tell Brick all of this now. He'd be going gaga. Hopefully, he will be away from the bb today lol.

The sod and irrig. haven't been put in yet because their main guy got sick. They had just taken out the old grass. So, it has been delayed indefinitely. So, I'm sitting here with a dirt lawn waiting.

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Sounds like folks are wanting a lot of snow and Arctic cold in December (or to atleast see it show up within 2 weeks). Remember how truly rare that usually is though. We've been spoiled quite a few Decembers since 2002. As long as we don't suddenly lose the Eastern Canada/Greenland riding in Jan and Feb, I think the chances are very good at some Winter fun and games, even into March, but with the cold -PDO and Alaskan Vortex showing signs of coming back (even on ECMWF it works back in there), there will be back and forth dominators of the pattern, so maybe nothing sustained for a while. In my opinion, even with the Alaska Vortex and moderate to strong -PDO pattern, if (more like when ) the NAO goes strongly negative and there's a big Eastern Canada block, like we've seen a lot of, then that forces a supressed pattern which is actually pretty good for precip chances. It's not quite like a true Split Flow that we see in some El Nino Winters, but a system rolling from northern California to Oklahoma then forced to dive south before cutting up the East Coast (that describes many storm tracks in the 50s, 60's, 70s actually during -PDO, -NAO). So give it time..we're still only on December 1st.

Is it really too much to ask after last winter? :cry:

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Power,

Lol! Well, the heck with good walking wx lol. I'll gladly freeze my butt off as a sacrifice to get to enjoy some good winter wx. Apparently, that is the secret...I write off an entire month and the very next Goofy shows a colder trend. I wrote that after the 12Z Goofy, including Ens., still showed a lack of much good news through 12/16. Then suddenly yesterday's 18Z suite

looked better. Also, yesterday's 12Z Euro ens. 11-15 looked a good bit better than its prior run. Then, as I posted, the 0Z GFS ens. 11-15 looked sig. improved making mid-Dec. suddenly look encouraging. Since then, the 0Z Euro suite looked much improved for 6-15 and then the 6Z 11-15 Goofy suite looked quite sweet!! That ens. has to what Robert just alluded: a very nice moist WSW flow for 12/12-16 with a massive amount of Arctic air not too far to our north. At the least, this would imply good rains. At the best, Brick and all would be dancing in the streets. By the way, don't tell Brick all of this now. He'd be going gaga. Hopefully, he will be away from the bb today lol.

The sod and irrig. haven't been put in yet because their main guy got sick. They had just taken out the old grass. So, it has been delayed indefinitely. So, I'm sitting here with a dirt lawn waiting.

definitely need to water it with no rain in sight

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Bitter cold air mass threatening the northern plains in the 10+ day range. What will be interesting is to see if this air will erase the warmth from this week once it gets here. Might be a month where everyone finishes +1...but does not tell the story.

Yep. It'll be nice to see this work it's way into the 1 week time frame. But the good news is that for several cycles, models have trended toward a more favorable pattern. Things are certainly looking better and better toward the middle of the month, not that we'll get lots of snow, but the pattern looks better than it does currently or than it did several days ago. It's just too bad that so many people already gave up on December. :)

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Yep. It'll be nice to see this work it's way into the 1 week time frame. But the good news is that for several cycles, models have trended toward a more favorable pattern. Things are certainly looking better and better toward the middle of the month, not that we'll get lots of snow, but the pattern looks better than it does currently or than it did several days ago. It's just too bad that so many people already gave up on December. :)

The bigger story for the SE in the medium range may be the amount of rain it shows for the SE it will be great to fall into a wetter pattern for everyone...and maybe just maybe we can keep it around and bring in the cold.

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Yep. It'll be nice to see this work it's way into the 1 week time frame. But the good news is that for several cycles, models have trended toward a more favorable pattern. Things are certainly looking better and better toward the middle of the month, not that we'll get lots of snow, but the pattern looks better than it does currently or than it did several days ago. It's just too bad that so many people already gave up on December. :)

It has been quite some time since I have seen that type of air mass in the Plains. -30 air in central Canada. I read many of Don's posts on the main board. He preaches severely -AOs eventually produce cold East. I must admit, I was getting worried until I read his analysis a few days back. Impressive track record. Hickory also mentioned a change could be on the way.

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The bigger story for the SE in the medium range may be the amount of rain it shows for the SE it will be great to fall into a wetter pattern for everyone...and maybe just maybe we can keep it around and bring in the cold.

True, Let's get some moisture in here first!!! The cold will come soon or later, but like you said big news is much much needed rain...

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It has been quite some time since I have seen that type of air mass in the Plains. -30 air in central Canada. I read many of Don's posts on the main board. He preaches severely -AOs eventually produce cold East. I must admit, I was getting worried until I read his analysis a few days back. Impressive track record. Hickory also mentioned a change could be on the way.

I agree. I've been reading Don's stuff for a long time, and he is very good. I usually double-check my level of enthusiasm against what he and Wes have to say about the short/medium term in order to see if I'm on the right track. :)

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Let's string together a few days of model runs showing the rains. It has been very dry here the last few years but the last three months has brought me about 4.87 inches of rain and for the year I'm only at around 32". Very very dry around these parts.

at this point ill take any precip frozen or liquid.

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There are no words for the epicness of winters in Alaska. Last year and this year is mother nature showing Alaska how things can be in a place that far north.

I know it! I love cold and snow, but I don't know if I could take those kinds of winters. It would be something to see, though. That's for sure.

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