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Sandy is now a tropical storm.

T 500 PM EDT...2100 UTC...THE CENTER OF TROPICAL STORM SANDY WAS

LOCATED NEAR LATITUDE 12.5 NORTH...LONGITUDE 78.5 WEST. SANDY IS

NEARLY STATIONARY...BUT A MOTION TOWARD THE NORTH AND NORTH-

NORTHEAST IS EXPECTED DURING THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS. ON THE

FORECAST TRACK...THE CENTER WILL BE NEAR OR OVER JAMAICA ON

WEDNESDAY.

REPORTS FROM AN AIR FORCE HURRICANE HUNTER PLANE INDICATE THAT THE

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS HAVE INCREASED TO NEAR 40 MPH...65

KM/H...WITH HIGHER GUSTS. ADDITIONAL STRENGTHENING IS FORECAST

DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS...AND SANDY COULD BE NEAR HURRICANE

STRENGTH WHEN IT APPROACHES JAMAICA.

TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 70 MILES...110 KM

FROM THE CENTER.

THE MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE REPORTED BY AN AIR FORCE HURRICANE

HUNTER AIRCRAFT IS 999 MB...29.50 INCHES.

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Bob 1991, the same year as the "no name storm" , was the last land-falling "hurricane" to hit New England and how many years has that been? New England does not get hurricanes anymore, we have a permanent "block-deflector" over the region...some year our luck will run out.

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History of storms that strike the east coast with while moving west of due north?

Doesn't look like much.. and none of them took a sharp left like some models show. 1878 was a late October system

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Something like this is very rare to occur and typically you would need perfect phasing in order for that to occur. This is why we need to be realistic about this and not go hype crazy. Models at this range LOVE to phase these types of systems with the jet stream along the east coast. If we're inside 3-4 days and seeing similar solutions then it may be time to start touting the horn a bit more.

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Something like this is very rare to occur and typically you would need perfect phasing in order for that to occur. This is why we need to be realistic about this and not go hype crazy. Models at this range LOVE to phase these types of systems with the jet stream along the east coast. If we're inside 3-4 days and seeing similar solutions then it may be time to start touting the horn a bit more.

You know insanity will set in here long before that haha.

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You know insanity will set in here long before that haha.

It already has :lol:

Some of the posts going on facebook/twitter are ridiculous. It's alright to talk about extreme scenarios here and what not but the last thing you want to do is use that type of language where the general public can see it, especially this far out. It's people who do this make the general public question meteorologists at times.

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At age 10 or so, I traced the outline of all the pieces of a United States puzzle to make a map, shaded it with colored pencils to show topographical features, and taped it to the back of an old storm window that my folks had replaced. I could draw on the glass with a marker, and then wipe it clean.

On my map, there was often a L just south of New Orleans and a big sprawling high dropping out of Minnesota. :weenie:

Finding out I was not alone in my sickness was a great relief to me. LOL
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Finding out I was not alone in my sickness was a great relief to me. LOL

I used to draw maps on the chalk boards/white boards at school of coastal storms giving us snowstorms and would write a fake forecast and snowfall totals :lol:

There were times where people would say to me, "Wait, it's going to snow?"...and I had to explain to them what I was doing.

I would also do the same for severe weather.

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Meanwhile I'm looking at 168-180 hour time lead and am pretty amazed at seeing this idea of subsuming a TC into a cutting off cold core trough amid so many operational versions for so far in advance. Not to mention, consistently, run after run.

Oh, this may not be so true with the operational GFS - no. BUT, it was so in that model yesterday - it's really only been the last couple/3 cycles that backed off - I get the funny feeling it's coming thundering back at some point. The problem with the GFS - from what I can tell - is related to details in the stream dynamics upstream over the Pacific - assimilation for the loss. As soon as a nose of real wind strength tickles a drop sonde (or whatever) and boom. We'll see.

It's tough. TPC could be too weak. I don't think Wilma was forecast to go to 200mph with pin prick eye, or however mind-bogglingly intense she was. TPC said themselves that there is a 50/50 shot at something approaching an RI sequence could happen over the next 24 hours, yet they keep the intensity to 70 mph max.

Eh, must be some shear associated with that Cuban U/A trough slated to set up - it's what initiates the Caribbean escape, but it could also excite a polarward exhaust channel. Intensity will be interesting because at least for a day and a half, maybe 2, there should be little shear and of course its sitting over some of the planet's richest oceanic heat content.

Through all of this, I actually could care less if this marriage takes place. In fact I'd settle ...perhaps even rather just see a solid coastal performance that ends with flurries in the air - that's a nice correlation for on this ensuing cool season alone - I don't need telephone poles flying through the air, and roofs kiting to Albany to get my kicks. Losing power is no no no no no fun. And a solution like that Euro run, it's wind products look shockingly underdone for drilling a 940 someodd mb black hole replete with an event horizon straight NW across the region. Jesus. I also don't have much interest in seeing the GGEM solution take place, because as is, it really would be a huge huge huge problem for NYC areas that are vulnerable to storm surge. That's not overstating anything - that's the objective interpretation of that run. Not only that, given the wrapping of llv warm air initially around the N wall of the cyclone heights is going to mean decent vertical mixing if that were not enough. Nope, don't want to see that kind of damage anywhere.

That's why I like a good old fashioned life threatening blizzard. It's only life threatening to Darwin Award contestants. Hint hint, 'don't go out side azzhole'. Problem solved. Snow monsters don't really come inside and get you. Wind on the other hand, does. I've seen photos of NS where 20' of snow is on the level and people are ambling around in the hallways they dug out, no problem. But I also saw a film of some provincials at a Florida diner discussing with a reporter why they were there up to their elbows in egg yokes and toast when there was a hurricane warning, and recall hearing a twangy accent describe how it was 'supposed to hit farther north on up the coast'. About 10 seconds after that statement's conclusion and the roof lifted off the diner as Charlie jogged to the right. F dopes!

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Through all of this, I actually could care less if this marriage takes place. In fact I'd settle ...perhaps even rather just see a solid coastal performance that ends with flurries in the air - that's a nice correlation for on this ensuing cool season alone - I don't need telephone poles flying through the air, and roofs kiting to Albany to get my kicks. Losing power is no no no no no fun. And a solution like that Euro run, it's wind products look shockingly underdone for drilling a 940 someodd mb black hole replete with an event horizon straight NW across the region. Jesus. I also don't have much interest in seeing the GGEM solution take place, because as is, it really would be a huge huge huge problem for NYC areas that are vulnerable to storm surge. That's not overstating anything - that's the objective interpretation of that run. Not only that, given the wrapping of llv warm air initially around the N wall of the cyclone heights is going to mean decent vertical mixing if that were not enough. Nope, don't want to see that kind of damage anywhere.

Ahh the good ol' Tip disclaimer, lol. Every massive 1 in 100+ year storm modeled comes with prose fantasizing about massive societal impacts, and then ends with the disclaimer that "I wouldn't actually want that to happen." I will say I do enjoy reading the Armageddon "what if" posts by Tip.

I just can't take these model runs seriously... we see way more fantasy storms than real storms (obviously) and until we are getting to Day+5, Day+4, this is all just weenie fodder. Just think of how many day 7-9 blizzards disappear by day 4-5?

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Dendrite,Tropopause Fold, Tippy, Scooter and I are just some of the folks who have talked about drawing up maps just like today's Euro when we were kids. I printed out today's Euro for my grandson so he can learn how to draw fantasy maps like we used to.

I did too! LOL. Megastorm "Griselda" was its name.

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