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Thanks for all this information!. Nothing like true eyewitness accounting!! I live too far east for lake effect upslope. My area is downslope for west or northwest winds. We do well with southern systems or noreaasters, being upslope for those. My first experience with lake effect upslope was late October of 1968. I drove from a partly sunny 53 degrees at Harrisonburg to pouring snow and 26 degrees at the summit of Spruce Knob with 4 - 6 inches acc. and drifting. Many times during the 70's and 80's, when I wanted lake effect, I drove to the state line on Rt. 250 which is the highest elevation of any primary highway in Virginia at 4332 ft.. The old timers at Monterey have told me that legend has snow flurries falling there in July many years ago. People who have never experienced lake effect snow have no idea how much difference can exist 50 or 60 miles northwest of Staunton or Harrisonburg on an invading northwest wind, especially late fall and early winter when the waters of Erie or Michigan are still warm. Truly, another world.

Always. I would like the coulds around here to cooperate just one dang time.

yeah the shorter days could definitely help us! Fingers crossed (about all we can do with space weather - or ANY weather to be honest)

Moisture is evaporating on runs and placement does seem to be further south.

Damn... The season hasn't even begun yet and there is already whining ( jk ). Hey... At least things seem to be heading in the right direction as we head towards December. Better this than a true Shyte pattern heading into the long range.

And here's the part that defies common sense. So if this is the climate, you would think you WOULDN'T see snow and cold south of here as much...and yet over the last 7-8 years places south of Baltimore, and then places WAY south...have seen more snow. Like you would think that boundary shifting north=warmer and less snow south. You'd think you wouldn't see Texas freezing in 2021, onorthern. AL snowing last year, or again, Southern part of the forum having more snow than the northern. The whole thing is counterintuitive.

Rolled the kids out of bed last night a drove a couple miles out of town. They were mesmerized.

Hes always on that train. Just like youre always not along with Bluewave. We got it guys, lots of narratives. But the weather always comes out in the wash. You’ll get your 4 inches in December and Id take the high end of Accuweather seasonal fluff

WeatherBell CFS...

If that streak is gonna break I guess we can't count on it breaking in a la nina. Even dang Atlanta got flurries before we did. It baffles me to no end how the supposed boundary is inching "north" yet places just south--or WAY south--of here have seen more snow than we have over the last 8 years. Just on a commonsense level that makes zero sense. You'd think warmer would mean that wouldn't happen as much and yet here we are!

Last October was definitely nuts. Can anyone give me an idea of what the cloud cover will look like tn in NWCT?

Had about 1.5" on the East Side of Elk Knob SP, about 7 miles North of Boone. Hard to tell from all the winds, lows were down around 17 over Monday night. Looking forward to a great winter with the crew on here! Best wishes folks!

Seems it's always better to have it decaying otherwise it's congrats Snookie

It does seem to become skillful within a week of the following month.

Excellent shot! Believe we're expected to have more ab tonight!

Here's the data for December vs. January-April snowfall for New York City for La Niña winters 1979-80 through 2024-2025. 2024-2025 is officially listed as cold neutral. December 2024 had 2.8" of snow.

Sigh. Another winter of seeing places well to the south cash in while we are missed?

The red pillars were naked eye visible, couldn't believe it! Hoping tonight is even better, but we'll see.

The cool departures EWR: 11/11 : 42/ 33 (-10) NYC: 11/11: 41 / 22 (-12) LGA: 11/11: 43 / 34 (-13) JFK: 11/11: 42 / 33 (-10) TTN: 11/11: 42 / 30 (-10)

Records: Highs: EWR: 74 (2022) NYC: 76 (1879) LGA: 69 (2022) JFK: 72 (2022) Lows: EWR: 25 (2019) NYC: 25 (2019) LGA: 27 (2019) JFK: 25 (2019) Historical: 1906 - The mercury soared to 106 degrees at Craftonville, CA, a November record for the U.S. (The Weather Channel) 1959 - Between Noon on the 11th and Noon on the 12th, a winter storm buried Helena, MT, under 21.5 inches of snow, which surpassed their previous 24 hour record by seven inches. (The Weather Channel) 1968 - A severe coastal storm produced high winds and record early snows from Georgia to Maine. Winds reached 90 mph in Massachusetts, and ten inches of snow blanketed interior Maine. (David Ludlum) 1974 - A great Alaska storm in the Bering Sea caused the worst coastal flooding of memory at Nome AK with a tide of 13.2 feet. The flooding caused 12 million dollars damage, however no lives are lost. (David Ludlum) 1987 - Heavy snow spread across much of New England. Totals in Massachusetts ranged up to 14 inches in Plymouth County. The seven inch total at the Logan Airport in Boston was their highest of record for so early in the season, and the 9.7 inch total at Providence RI was a record for November. Roads were clogged with traffic and made impassable as snowplow operators were caught unprepared for the early season snowstorm. (Storm Data) (The National Weather Summary) 1988 - Thunderstorms developing ahead of a cold front produced severe weather in the Lower Mississippi Valley during the afternoon and early evening hours. Thunderstorms produced wind gusts to 80 mph at Bovina MS. Morning thunderstorms drenched Atlanta TX with more than four inches of rain. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1989 - Thirty-three cities reported record high temperatures for the date as readings soared into the 70s and 80s from the Southern and Central Plains to the Southern and Middle Atlantic Coast Region. The afternoon high of 80 degrees at Scottsbluff NE was a record for November, and highs of 76 degrees at Rapid City SD and 81 degrees at Chattanooga TN were the warmest of record for so late in the season. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1993 A winter storm moved through the area on November 12th and 13th. A wintry mix of precipitation in the form of freezing rain, sleet, and snow began during the afternoon on the 12th in western portions of Minnesota, while heavy snow fell in a swath from southwest South Dakota through central and northeast parts of the state, with generally four to eight inches reported. Freezing rain also preceded the snow in south-central South Dakota. Significant accumulation of ice occurred within about a 70-mile wide area from west central Minnesota into the Arrowhead region. Up to five inches of snow fell on top of the ice, making travel extremely hazardous. In South Dakota, locally heavier snowfall amounts included 12 inches at Midland and 10 inches central Hughes County. Several schools and other community events were closed due to the ice and snow. In south central South Dakota, trees were damaged by heavy ice, some of which fell on power lines, causing an outage. Other snowfall amounts include; 8.0 inches in Blunt; 7.0 inches in Murdo and near Victor; and 6.0 inches near Onida, Faulkton, Highmore, and Leola. 2003 - Thunderstorms developed in southern California and produced torrential downpours across parts of the Los Angeles area. More than 5 inches of rain fell in just 2 hours in southern Los Angeles, producing severe urban flooding. Small hail also accompanied the storms, accumulating several inches deep in some areas of the city. Nearly 115,000 electrical customers lost power as the storms affected the area (Associated Press).

12z mesos look dicey on central Md cloud cover. Better for NoVA and southern MD.

44 / 28 clouds holding tight. Warmer tomorrow and then a bit back and forth towards / after mid month overall near / warmer than normal.

What In the sam hell?

Wow, that is crazy for Florida