2026-2027 Super El Nino

[PhiEaglesfan712]

If the PDO doesn't turn positive, I think the el nino stays below +2C, and 94-95 is our best analog. PDO should flip if we get above +2C, and definitely if it's above +2.5C. There has never been a +2.5C el nino that had a -PDO.

Definitely not the best winter, but we could get something out of one month (most likely February).

[snowman19]

14 minutes ago, PhiEaglesfan712 said:

If the PDO doesn't turn positive, I think the el nino stays below +2C, and 94-95 is our best analog. PDO should flip if we get above +2C, and definitely if it's above +2.5C. There has never been a +2.5C el nino that had a -PDO.

Definitely not the best winter, but we could get something out of one month (most likely February).

The PDO doesn’t force ENSO to do anything or prevent it from doing anything, it’s a completely separate extratropical entity. In fact, there are studies that show that ENSO events (especially strong ones) can influence/modulate the PDO if anything, not the other way around. Eric Webb has been arguing that the well coupled ++PMM (subtropical entity) is acting as a +PDO right now

[Stormchaserchuck1]

There is some overlap, but ENSO and the PDO effect different areas in the Pacific - ENSO is further east and PDO is further west. 

[jaxjagman]

+PDO can happen even in a NINA,but more likely in a NINO,maybe more study to what actually starts a period?Dacula has the Index of the PDO going back into the last century

https://www.daculaweather.com/4_pdo_index.php

[GaWx]

18 minutes ago, Stormchaserchuck1 said:

There is some overlap, but ENSO and the PDO effect different areas in the Pacific - ENSO is further east and PDO is further west. 

Chuck and others, check this out:

June MTD is by a good margin the coldest on record N of 80N! Furthermore, June 9-13th has averaged ~-4C, which is ~2C colder than what had been the coldest on record, 2014! Records go back to 1958!

This is pretty surreal in our warming world:

2026 coldest for June 1-13 ~-3.5C and June 9-13 ~-4C!

2014 2nd coldest for June 1-13 ~-2.5C and June 9-13 ~-2C

 

1966 3rd coldest for June 1-13 ~-2C

1980 3rd coldest for June 9-13 ~-1.3C

 

 

[Stormchaserchuck1]

Ever since the Solar Max in May 2024, where a weakened magnetic field brought the aurora borealis very far towards the central part of the Earth - The warm season has been getting this cold 60-90N. At the end of last September, I think we had the lowest 500mb on record for the month in the N. Hemisphere, all time. 

[MJO812]

https://www.accuweather.com/en/climate/a-mysterious-cold-blob-in-the-ocean-has-puzzled-scientists-a-new-study-says-its-an-ominous-sign/1901261?fbclid=IwdGRjcAScMnJjbGNrBJwyWWV4dG4DYWVtAjExAHNydGMGYXBwX2lkDDM1MDY4NTUzMTcyOAABHoTzcIYDR8FTJ2q60mKwMa-wZttSgo_VdFnjmDN1VFkHopXIeu02tI3bKBIm_aem_ErnINIq4n_cdpCDzVWjG6A

[Stormchaserchuck1]

Northern Russia gets 4980dm in mid-June tomorrow. Pretty impressive! 

[snowman19]

On 6/13/2026 at 6:09 PM, Stormchaserchuck1 said:

Subsurface is warming again. Eastern subsurface is about to pop a +8c on TAO/Triton. If normal water is 65F, that's almost 80 degrees, 100 meters below the surface. In La nina it can possibly cool down to 55F, so it must be interesting the type of wildlife that has evolved there, along the equator. 

+8C in the subsurface is ridiculous. The warming at the surface has also been staggering

 

 

 

 

[chubbs]

In the past couple of weeks, daily record SST from satellite have expanded from the PMM into the enso regions and nearby, mainly N of the equator

[PhiEaglesfan712]

12 hours ago, jaxjagman said:

+PDO can happen even in a NINA,but more likely in a NINO,maybe more study to what actually starts a period?Dacula has the Index of the PDO going back into the last century

https://www.daculaweather.com/4_pdo_index.php

I think 95-96 was the last time we had a solid +PDO la nina. Oddly enough, it followed the -PDO el nino in 94-95. I wonder what caused the inverse correlation of those years. Mind you this was at the end of a 20+ year +PDO period (the transition from +PDO to -PDO took place in between the super el nino and strong la nina in 1998).

Maybe we do get something similar this time around, a -PDO el nino in 26-27, followed by a +PDO la nina in 27-28. Then, one final -PDO event, before the transition to +PDO.

[snowman19]

In the past couple of weeks, daily record SST from satellite have expanded from the PMM into the enso regions and nearby, mainly N of the equator

Yep. And warming off the coast of South America has been increasing rapidly over the last week

[bluewave]

17 hours ago, PhiEaglesfan712 said:

If the PDO doesn't turn positive, I think the el nino stays below +2C, and 94-95 is our best analog. PDO should flip if we get above +2C, and definitely if it's above +2.5C. There has never been a +2.5C el nino that had a -PDO.

Definitely not the best winter, but we could get something out of one month (most likely February).

While the CFS missed the summer PDO drop last summer, it’s still forecasting the PDO to remain negative into next January.

Mostly due to the stronger ridge and lighter winds east of Japan. The main reason the current PDO is less strongly negative than recent years at this time is the record +PMM.

In the past record +PMM patterns often coincided with a robust +PDO before the warm pool emerged east of Japan.

 

[40/70 Benchmark]

10 hours ago, MJO812 said:

https://www.accuweather.com/en/climate/a-mysterious-cold-blob-in-the-ocean-has-puzzled-scientists-a-new-study-says-its-an-ominous-sign/1901261?fbclid=IwdGRjcAScMnJjbGNrBJwyWWV4dG4DYWVtAjExAHNydGMGYXBwX2lkDDM1MDY4NTUzMTcyOAABHoTzcIYDR8FTJ2q60mKwMa-wZttSgo_VdFnjmDN1VFkHopXIeu02tI3bKBIm_aem_ErnINIq4n_cdpCDzVWjG6A

"It plays a crucial role in the climate system, helping regulate global weather patterns. Its collapse would have enormous implications, including much more extreme winters"

On no, not that...