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2026-2027 Record-breaking El Nino


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I found an old newspaper article from October 1982. Remember this came on the heals of a very severe winter in 1981-82 (and the harsh late 1970s still fresh in memory). This article said that forecasters were unanimously calling for a very cold winter in 1982-83. Some were saying it would be the coldest on record in the eastern US and worse than the year before. 

What a massive fail. It makes you wonder what they were seeing in the first place. Calling for a colder than average winter is one thing but they were extra bold in their predictions. And it also shows how little was known about El Nino as recently as the 1980s.

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12 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said:

I found an old newspaper article from October 1982. Remember this came on the heals of a very severe winter in 1981-82 (and the harsh late 1970s still fresh in memory). This article said that forecasters were unanimously calling for a very cold winter in 1982-83. Some were saying it would be the coldest on record in the eastern US and worse than the year before. 

What a massive fail. It makes you wonder what they were seeing in the first place. Calling for a colder than average winter is one thing but they were extra bold in their predictions. And it also shows how little was known about El Nino as recently as the 1980s.

I could be wrong, but I don't think the full link between Enso and climate was understood or established back then, or the ability to predict Enso states accurately. That might explain at least part of it.

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1 hour ago, michsnowfreak said:

I found an old newspaper article from October 1982. Remember this came on the heals of a very severe winter in 1981-82 (and the harsh late 1970s still fresh in memory). This article said that forecasters were unanimously calling for a very cold winter in 1982-83. Some were saying it would be the coldest on record in the eastern US and worse than the year before. 

What a massive fail. It makes you wonder what they were seeing in the first place. Calling for a colder than average winter is one thing but they were extra bold in their predictions. And it also shows how little was known about El Nino as recently as the 1980s.

Likely because the cold El Niño events of the late 70's freaked them out.

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I follow this forum but don’t post much, but I had a question about the relevance of standard metrics for this Niño.

With this ninobeing so east-based, isn’t it likely that the traditional measure of strength (the 3.4 anomaly) significantly underestimates the impact on the atmosphere?

Just from an anomaly × surface area perspective, I think the 3.4 region is typically closer to where the greatest anomalies are. Now it’s not even close....the eastern regions are almost 2 degrees more anomalous.

Are there alternative measures, perhaps ones that integrate the anomaly over the full area across all ENSO regions? And do those correlate better with atmospheric impacts?

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1 hour ago, JLPhill said:

I follow this forum but don’t post much, but I had a question about the relevance of standard metrics for this Niño.

With this ninobeing so east-based, isn’t it likely that the traditional measure of strength (the 3.4 anomaly) significantly underestimates the impact on the atmosphere?

Just from an anomaly × surface area perspective, I think the 3.4 region is typically closer to where the greatest anomalies are. Now it’s not even close....the eastern regions are almost 2 degrees more anomalous.

Are there alternative measures, perhaps ones that integrate the anomaly over the full area across all ENSO regions? And do those correlate better with atmospheric impacts?

https://psl.noaa.gov/enso/mei/

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Remember this 9/5 CFSv2 AAM run progging 3+ starting Sep 8th and 4+ starting Sep 15?

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Compare that to the latest released (9/12) showing 3+ not til Sep 15th and 4+ not til Sep 19th!IMG_2470.thumb.png.7471d626efd6d1cd4dd5d57c1290fe0c.png

 

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2 hours ago, mitchnick said:

Eps, among other models, show a weakening of 850 anomalies as well as the renewal of trades breaking through in days to come; Gefs even more so.

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Probably another monster WWB in early october. Can see the MJO queued up for it in the IO towards the end of the EPS run. 

 

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1 hour ago, LakePaste25 said:

Probably another monster WWB in early october. Can see the MJO queued up for it in the IO towards the end of the EPS run. 

 

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Probably a dumb question. These are often posted at a time frame thats at the end of a run.  How accurate is it vs what we see at the surface at the end of a run weather wise which we all know is like 2%? 

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1 hour ago, FPizz said:

Probably a dumb question. These are often posted at a time frame thats at the end of a run.  How accurate is it vs what we see at the surface at the end of a run weather wise which we all know is like 2%? 

They tend to be pretty accurate with the big picture, as the MJO orbit is very predictable. Minor details, such as exact strength of the WWB, exact day (late sept or early oct) are more TBD and this won’t accurately predict that this far out. 

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42 minutes ago, GaWx said:

 The MJO continues to avoid the Maritime C and IO like no other time on record:

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And here’s the 2 week fcast below. Does anyone know why the MJO is avoiding the IO & MC?IMG_2483.png.797aaf84514a91d7235840f0a89684ef.png


I looked at the other 16 Ninos since 76/7 and found only two others only somewhat similar in JAS:

2015: still had good # in IO

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1994: still had large # in MC

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Just now, GaWx said:

And here’s the 2 week fcast below. Does anyone know why the MJO is avoiding the IO & MC?IMG_2483.png.797aaf84514a91d7235840f0a89684ef.png


I looked at the other 16 Ninos since 76/7 and found only two others somewhat similar:

2015:

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1994:

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The MJO isn’t “avoiding” the IO/MC, it’s being suppressed by the descending branch of the hadley cell triggered by the Nino standing wave whenever it enters that region. If you use VP and OLR plots you can still see the MJO pass thru those regions in a very suppressed state. On the RMM plot, El Niño is overwhelming the signal. 

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5 minutes ago, LakePaste25 said:

The MJO isn’t “avoiding” the IO/MC, it’s being suppressed by the descending branch of the hadley cell triggered by the Nino standing wave whenever it enters that region. If you use VP and OLR plots you can still see the MJO pass thru those regions in a very suppressed state. On the RMM plot, El Niño is overwhelming the signal. 

Why is it overwhelming the signal on RMM now but in 97-8 it was nearly opposite (majority in MC/IO)?

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2 hours ago, FPizz said:

Probably a dumb question. These are often posted at a time frame thats at the end of a run.  How accurate is it vs what we see at the surface at the end of a run weather wise which we all know is like 2%? 

more accurate because its an el nino so if its showing green in the east central pac and brown in the io you can make a good bet that will happen

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