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January 24-26: Miracle or Mirage JV/Banter Thread!


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3 minutes ago, Hokiehop said:

Says the guy who also chimed in with this nugget...

Welp I’m pulling out, I’ve been down this road before and I’m not going to hit that wall again. I’ll check again tomorrow morning but I’m not holding my breath. I am not saying it won’t snow, but I’m not holding my breath for a large event at this point.

Then a few hours later when 0z showed improvement I said that I'd jump back in if those improvements held after 6z. They did and so I jumped back in. Now that it looks like we're pretty much guaranteed at least 6" I'm most likely going to stay in with tempered expectations.

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3 minutes ago, MillvilleWx said:

Double digits around the metro, especially in DC will likely be very difficult, but not totally impossible. I think the actual city will be <10” with sleet on top. Climo climo climo 

These kinds of posts annoy me...like really annoy me. They make it seems like it's not possible to have an all-snow event in the cities.

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1 minute ago, mattie g said:

These kinds of posts annoy me...like really annoy me. They make it seems like it's not possible to have an all-snow event in the cities.

Is this about my post in particular or the post I was responding to? I was mainly talking for this setup in particular. The metros can absolutely get crushed in the right setup, so sorry if it came off that way. 

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I always wondered what 2-3 inches of sleet would actually look like... 

Did any of the models over the weekend sniff out the amped/cutting idea?  Were their red flags?  [And yes, I know that potential for a 6" snow in the cities is not a "fail" but its certainly not in the same league as a 12-18+ mauling]

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19 minutes ago, mattie g said:

These kinds of posts annoy me...like really annoy me. They make it seems like it's not possible to have an all-snow event in the cities.

it feels like its getting harder and harder to.  Base state changing and all that.  But thats a different topic.  I mean if it wasn't for us getting vodka cold 24 hr prior to this storm we'd be looking at rain for you and me.  

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2 minutes ago, H2O said:

And not to nitpick but goddammit after all these years we still have to reference things in zulu time.  I HATE converting to EST.  C'mon @MN Transplant hook a brother up and just do AM/PM for the dumb people.  Like....me

I know using the internet is tough for an old man like yourself but you can use google to do the conversion for you 

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4 minutes ago, mappy said:

I know using the internet is tough for an old man like yourself but you can use google to do the conversion for you 

I know I'm not good with the interwebs or technology in general so I'll stick with my trusty abacus for mathing.  Thank you

 

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33 minutes ago, mattie g said:

These kinds of posts annoy me...like really annoy me. They make it seems like it's not possible to have an all-snow event in the cities.

I’d say it’s tougher to get a big storm with double digits in the cities while staying all snow.

A 1-3” clipper without precip worries is easy. But it takes a damn near perfect setup like February 2010 or January 2016 to get a slow moving coastal monster that delivers prolific totals, awesome dynamics, and doesn’t mix at all. And that’s why they’re so rare and memorable.

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Just now, H2O said:

I know I'm not good with the interwebs or technology in general so I'll stick with my trusty abacus for mathing.  Thank you

 

Always looking out for you friend :wub:

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Just now, T. August said:

Hopefully we are converging on a result that is close to reality. As it stands I feel like 6-9” is a safe and reasonable forecast for 95. Feel like 10-14” NW.

The reality is that this hobby sucks ass and we keep doing it every winter.  A week of tracking for Pingers cause the goddamn hot air steamrolls over the coastal plain 

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34 minutes ago, MillvilleWx said:

Is this about my post in particular or the post I was responding to? I was mainly talking for this setup in particular. The metros can absolutely get crushed in the right setup, so sorry if it came off that way. 

No need to apologize and it's not just your post in particular.

I just feel like there's always tis reversion to "you should accept it because that's just the way it is" when that's not really the case.

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19 minutes ago, H2O said:

it feels like its getting harder and harder to.  Base state changing and all that.  But thats a different topic.  I mean if it wasn't for us getting vodka cold 24 hr prior to this storm we'd be looking at rain for you and me.  

I don't know...I'm not sure it's been a huge deal recently, but then again we haven't had many decent storms recently to prove it one way or the other.

That said...f we weren't getting Arctic cold 24 hours in advance via a massive high pressure and a block then this wouldn't even be a discussion. It would just be a cutter, which isn't abnormal. 

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24 minutes ago, Pityflakes said:

I always wondered what 2-3 inches of sleet would actually look like... 

Did any of the models over the weekend sniff out the amped/cutting idea?  Were their red flags?  [And yes, I know that potential for a 6" snow in the cities is not a "fail" but its certainly not in the same league as a 12-18+ mauling]

there was nothing to sniff out. models aren't predictions. they are simulations of what is most likely to happen with a hypothetical set of mathematical inputs. as the imputs get close to the actual atmospheric conditions, the simulations change and begin to reflect what will actually happen.

tl;dr:  Kuchera maps suck. stop using them.

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4 minutes ago, Maestrobjwa said:

Listen I wasn't even looking for two feet. But I sure as heck wanted to least try to make a run at double digits for the first time--it sucks because you'd think a simple SS wave coming right at us would deliver...but then we get unlucky with a NS complication, and you wonder if it continues to get trimmed back over the next 48 hours.

I do agree the difference between a sub 9inch or so storm and a major 10+ snowstorm goes from an every (should be) two years or so to a real event. 

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24 minutes ago, Ralph Wiggum said:

In any event, this time Saturday we will be watching a huge swath of snow creeping towards the region with no worries of a miss.  Been a while since we have been able to watch a big frozen qpf bomb encroach on our areas.

And it should've been simple...Finally having unmissable precip just to have other random ns nina crap potentially mess it up to the point where we see snow totals getting cut back and back and who knows how much more over the next 48 hours. I haven't had a warning level snow in 10 years nor have I hit double digits since that time. I would like crap to go right just ONCE.

If I can get 6-10" I'm good. But it just feels like that's in jeopardy. 2007 (an analog for this storm) was supposed to be a snowstorm but ended up all sleet unexpectedly. If that happens and I get stuck with 4-5" snow with hard-to-shovel sleetn I'll still not have had one in 10 years.

(And yes I can dream up worse case scenarios with the best of them, lol)

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