December 2025 OBS and Discussion

[Brian5671]

22 minutes ago, the_other_guy said:

Belleayre today. Best start to season in years! Weve got cold, we are in the game!

Looks like mid-winter!

[NEG NAO]

16 minutes ago, Brian5671 said:

Looks like mid-winter!

Belleayre should be considered to be Upstate NY not NYC Metro - I know we have had this discussion before - most of NYC metro doesn't look like mid-winter with most of us not seeing a flake yet........

[IrishRob17]

Another day of flurries, maybe a heavier squall in a bit, 38/26. 

[psv88]

So no snow threats now. Sweet

[eduggs]

I remember many winters back through the 90s where there was bare ground through Xmas/New Years even up into the North Country and Vermont... sometimes even in the heart of winter, especially outside the mountains. So far this year it's deep winter throughout the interior. That could be a harbinger of things to come. There's been a bit of a screw zone relative to climo over the past few years from EPA through NENJ and SENY while places north, east, and south have cashed in occasionally. That experience can create a negative bias with respect to future outcomes. But eventually our luck will change despite the warming global climate.

[eduggs]

1 hour ago, vegan_edible said:

in albs for the next month. can confirm deep winter vibes up here

I read Albany airport is over 14" already this season and they average 3.9" to date. That's a heck of a start! The valley can be a bit of a snow hole with substantially more snow to the east and west. There are indications it might continue for a while. Enjoy it up there.

[Stormlover74]

18 minutes ago, eduggs said:

I remember many winters back through the 90s where there was bare ground through Xmas/New Years even up into the North Country and Vermont... sometimes even in the heart of winter, especially outside the mountains. So far this year it's deep winter throughout the interior. That could be a harbinger of things to come. There's been a bit of a screw zone relative to climo over the past few years from EPA through NENJ and SENY while places north, east, and south have cashed in occasionally. That experience can create a negative bias with respect to future outcomes. But eventually our luck will change despite the warming global climate.

Even 2000 it took until the end of the month to finally cash in despite a very cold month and a few mid month warmups with rain

[donsutherland1]

3 minutes ago, eduggs said:

I read Albany airport is over 14" already this season and they average 3.9" to date. That's a heck of a start! The valley can be a bit of a snow hole with substantially more snow to the east and west. There are indications it might continue for a while. Enjoy it up there.

And perhaps that figure has increased a little more today with the snow squall that blew through.

[CPcantmeasuresnow]

1 hour ago, NEG NAO said:

Belleayre should be considered to be Upstate NY not NYC Metro - I know we have had this discussion before - most of NYC metro doesn't look like mid-winter with most of us not seeing a flake yet........

Geographically Bellayre is souther NY state. It's weird how the population of New York views everything 30 miles north of where they live as upstate. 
 

Binghamton is the southern tier of New York and that area is referred to as such on thruway maps, yet 90% of the residents of NY view it as way the hell upstate. 

[steve392]

Been mostly clear here in Bergen County.  Wind is picking up.  Snow drying up as it approaches. 

[Dark Star]

51 minutes ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said:

Geographically Bellayre is souther NY state. It's weird how the population of New York views everything 30 miles north of where they live as upstate. 
 

Binghamton is the southern tier of New York and that area is referred to as such on thruway maps, yet 90% of the residents of NY view it as way the hell upstate. 

But Bellayre is certainly not NYC metro...

[Poker2015]

2 hours ago, eduggs said:

I remember many winters back through the 90s where there was bare ground through Xmas/New Years even up into the North Country and Vermont... sometimes even in the heart of winter, especially outside the mountains. So far this year it's deep winter throughout the interior. That could be a harbinger of things to come. There's been a bit of a screw zone relative to climo over the past few years from EPA through NENJ and SENY while places north, east, and south have cashed in occasionally. That experience can create a negative bias with respect to future outcomes. But eventually our luck will change despite the warming global climate.

I have alot of family in NH on the border of VT and MA and I can confirm most winters before January were pretty bare. We would go up the week between Christmas and New Years every year and I can only remember sledding a handful of times in the 90's. 

[vegan_edible]

2 hours ago, eduggs said:

I read Albany airport is over 14" already this season and they average 3.9" to date. That's a heck of a start! The valley can be a bit of a snow hole with substantially more snow to the east and west. There are indications it might continue for a while. Enjoy it up there.

we've had a handful of whiteout squalls this afternoon. got on 87 earlier and about 10 mins in couldnt see 15 feet in front of me

[eduggs]

The RGEM has a little snow early Saturday. It's not much and it will probably shift east or be flurries if it's even real, but it's something...