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  1. If you changed the last two words of your statement to measure snow, you would be right on target. I hate to keep beating a dead horse but in this case it's that simple, there are years they get it right, but more often than not they don't. The last three years they have been abysmal again. They go through periods where they don't seem to care that much about getting snowfall totals correct in the Park. I won't bore you with all of the reason again.
  2. Let's not forget the obvious, the Park has been worse than usual this year in measuring. Just look at the LE of every 1 inch or above snowfall vs the nearby airports EWR and LGA. Central parks ratios are 50% lower because they keep measuring well after compression and melting is taking place. Just compare the three calendar days in January and February that the closest reporting stations to Central Park have seen over an inch of snow and this is what you get. NYC 6.5 inches snow 1.23 inches liquid ratio 5.3 LGA 8.6 inches snow 1.19 inches liquid ratio 7.2 EWR 10.8 inches snow 1.15 inches liquid ratio 9.4 It's not a perfect science but if we're conservative and apply an 8.0 ratio to NYC, in between LGA and EWR ratios but closer to LGAs, their snowfall for those three days increases to 9.8 from 6.5 which from all accounts is much closer to what actually fell those calendar days. The 3.3 extra inches would make their seasonal total 10.8 right now which is actually in all likelihood their true total so far this season. It's an old story and never seems to change.
  3. If what you say about a latitude inland based winter that season is true than it would make sense that LGA would be even lower than NYC yet it's 5 inches higher that season. Central Parks latitude 40.7826N is a actually north of Newark 40.6895N and the same as LGA 40.7733N . They are 5 air miles from LGA and 10 from Newark at similar elevations. Snowfall amounts will vary even in such short distances but over an active season they will usually even out as 95-96 showed, there is less than a 3 inch difference between the three from highest to lowest. You can believe what you want but 93-94 they did not do a good job, there were several under measurements. They are usually an inch or two but do that on several events and that' how you end up with 53.4 when actually closer to 60 fell. Forget about JFK when using comparisons to the Park, they are not similar at all, and JFK actually does a nice job measuring as most of the airports do regarding snowfall. The benefit of course for the airports is having someone on site to actually measure before snow melts and compresses. That is by far the biggest problem with the PARK measurements, and continues to be. Taking measurements as they often do 4-5 hours after snow ends will always be a low measurement no matter where you take it. Until they fix that simple thing it's never going to change.
  4. No as I stated 93-94 they were low on their measurements on several events. Central Park was not in line with the 2 airports it lies in between. Newark was 64.5 inches that season, LGA was 58.5, Central Park was noticeably lower than both at 53.4. Their real total there that season was closer to 60. 95-96 they were on top of their game and all three reporting stations were very much in line. If they didn't blow it on the January blizzard NYC would have been close to 80. Newark was 78.4, LGA 77.9 and NYC 75.6
  5. 1993-1994 they did a poor job measuring at the park. 1995-96 was much better except of course as you mentioned the January Blizzard. The 20.2 they reported at Central Park was under measured by 4-5 inches minimum.
  6. Same here regarding grading, I'm at 29.3 inches for the season which is only a couple inches shy of normal to this point in the season and this Winter is a solid D right now. Temperatures 5-7 degrees above our inflated new normals. Snow cover days way below normal, no below zero days and more amazingly one single digit all season, 0 snow in December. Actually make it a D- so far.
  7. It's always bothered me that they list Dulles airport as Washington DC on these lists. Dulles is 27 miles from Washington DC and well entrenched in Virginia. With that logic Why not list white plains HPN as NYC. At least they're in the same state and closer to each other.
  8. 1891-1920 was the last time, 32.2 inches 1901-1930 was close, the same 29.8 inches as now. Of course that time period was much colder, the snow actually hung around in the city.
  9. Not as big as you might think. This decade, as lousy as it's been so far, will be replacing 1991-2000 which only averaged 25.3 inches. The current 30 year average, 1991-2020, in the Park is 29.8. Replace that 25.3 with a 26 average 2021-2030 and their over 30 inches for average in 2001-2030. There's a long way to go. Of course it would help a lot if they could ever get their sh!t together at the NWS regarding measurements at the Park. It's a long history of under measuring as most of us know, but the last 3-4 years has been especially horrendous.
  10. 2.1 inches here for the event about as expected. 29.3 inches for the season, right about normal for this date, but certainly not normal the way we've gotten there. So far a Top 5, maybe even Top 3, warmest Winter. At least I've now exceeded the 28.8 from last years miserable winter.
  11. Right about the table top wrong about how often. Measurements are suppose to be taken immediately after the event is done so compression and melting do not take place and an accurate measurement of the maximum depth of the snow during the event can be assured. This is something they never do at Central Park. That's why they come in low through almost every event. It's pathetic but they rarely address it. The storm four days ago a text book case in point.
  12. 2.1 inch final here, now 29.3 through the season. Snowfall at least near normal now for this point in the season, temperatures still ridiculously above normal.
  13. 2.0 inches even here, not expected. 28° light snow about to end. 29.2 inches for the season now, virtually all since January 7th, 18 days of snow cover and all with temps running 5-7 degrees above normal. It makes this period a B+ but the overall winter is a C-, despite what is now about average snowfall through this date.
  14. Well, If i had the whole day, I could give you several hundred examples of how badly Central Park has under measured snow throughout their history, you are aware that for many years the zookeeper in Central Park took the measurements, but lets just look at yesterday as the latest example. Local CBS MET Lonnie Quinn went to measure for himself, after getting tired of waiting for the usual delays from the NWS in trying to get someone off their ass and trek out to measure. I'm sure after at least some compacting he measured 3.9. THE Park officially measured 3.2. many would say what's the big deal, and it wouldn't be except it happens constantly and it's usually worse in the big events.
  15. Lonnie Quinn got sick of the usual Central Park BS under measurements and went to measure himself today. He measured 3.9 inches and that was most likely after some compacting.
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