May Banter 2025

[Chris78]

4 minutes ago, Maestrobjwa said:

I am not--I just think the argument you and some others are making is ridiculous and I just don't get it. Calling it like I see it. If he doesn't fire Elias this off-season I'll have criticism for that. But as I see it he did not make this mess and can't be blamed for it.

Splitting hairs. And Burnes still wasn't coming back here, btw Location over money won that one. He doesn't know much about baseball...he literally said that. He left all those decisions to Elias. That you're arguing that owners should dictate all the moves a GM makes is beyond me. Were you not around for when Angelos meddled constantly and screwed things up over and over?

I'm certainly not saying  that owners should dictate all moves to GM's and I've never said that in any of my posts.

But owners don't sit idle on the sidelines either. 

I've been an Os fan for over 40 years so I know the Angelos years very well unfortunately.

I think the argument your making that the owner shares no blame in a season off the rails like this one is ridiculous so I guess we have to agree to disagree on the amount of blame Rubenstein shoulders lol.

 

 

[aldie 22]

13 in a row for the Twins with 34 straight scoreless innings...unbelievable after the slow start and having two of their better players out.

[Maestrobjwa]

3 hours ago, Chris78 said:

I'm certainly not saying  that owners should dictate all moves to GM's and I've never said that in any of my posts.

But owners don't sit idle on the sidelines either. 

I've been an Os fan for over 40 years so I know the Angelos years very well unfortunately.

I think the argument your making that the owner shares no blame in a season off the rails like this one is ridiculous so I guess we have to agree to disagree on the amount of blame Rubenstein shoulders lol.

 

 

Well I likewise think you argument is kinda ridiculous because it doesn't see the nuances of the situation. Ordinarily you'd be right. An owner who's already been here would have responsibility. But Rubenstein just got here...and last year he and the group were literally just trying to settle in when the seeds of this mess were already being formed. To suggest he, after increasing the payroll; should've stopped Elias from making bad moves? And he doesn't know baseball as much and a departing Burnes being the only big "owner possibly more involved" ticket? That's the part that doesn't make sense. It's just the timing of everything--I just don't see Joe he deserves the blame this time given the timing of all this.