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50 minutes ago, Brian5671 said:

Brutal:  Good track but zero cold air....

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Example 1000 for decent tracks not guaranteeing snow. Even 97-98 had some good snow events inland/elevated. Not saying again this is a repeat this winter but we really need to shuffle the deck to put us in the game, and even shuffling the deck will likely take a week when it happens. 

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1 hour ago, jm1220 said:

We really want some part of that PV into our hemisphere. We’re already down one strike with most of the real cold in Asia. 

Most of Arctic air in Eurasia will dump into the Pacific next few weeks and rapidly modify leaving very little Arctic air in the Northern Hemisphere.


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37 minutes ago, bluewave said:

Most of Arctic air in Eurasia will dump into the Pacific next few weeks and rapidly modify leaving very little Arctic air in the Northern Hemisphere.


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Is this some kind of long term climate shift?

It seems like this happens EVERY YEAR now-- la nina, el nino, or lo nada

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1 hour ago, jm1220 said:

Example 1000 for decent tracks not guaranteeing snow. Even 97-98 had some good snow events inland/elevated. Not saying again this is a repeat this winter but we really need to shuffle the deck to put us in the game, and even shuffling the deck will likely take a week when it happens. 

Maybe it will be like 1982-83 or 2015-16 and we will get our chance in the climo peak of winter?

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4 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Is this some kind of long term climate shift?

It seems like this happens EVERY YEAR now-- la nina, el nino, or lo nada

We had a trough mostly on the east coast from 2000 through 2018, now we are seeing regression to the mean. 

One question I ponder is a 50 year average. 

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Just now, LibertyBell said:

Maybe it will be like 1982-83 or 2015-16 and we will get our chance in the climo peak of winter?

I think most would happily take a plowable event.  Imagine if someone posted here in Feb 2022 that the next plowable storm would be 2 yrs away?    (and then they would be correct as mid Feb 2022 was NYC and south's last event of note.)

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2 hours ago, Volcanic Winter said:

I’m sure rains to Quebec precedes all our best winter periods! 

:weep: 
 

Nah, I’m staying optimistic that January will be more agreeable. But I don’t see anything realistically happening until after NYE and likely then some. 

using the 2015-16 analog, likely around 1/20 or later

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2 minutes ago, Brian5671 said:

I think most would happily take a plowable event.  Imagine if someone posted here in Feb 2022 that the next plowable storm would be 2 yrs away?    (and then they would be correct as mid Feb 2022 was NYC and south's last event of note.)

Yep, this period compares to some of our worst stretches (late 80s early 90s and again late 90s into the new millenium)

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8 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said:

We had a trough mostly on the east coast from 2000 through 2018, now we are seeing regression to the mean. 

One question I ponder is a 50 year average. 

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there were some really bad winters in that 2000-2018 period though:

2001-02

2006-07

2007-08

2011-12

more good ones though

is this some kind of cyclic oscillation rather than simple regression?

 

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20 minutes ago, Brian5671 said:

I think most would happily take a plowable event.  Imagine if someone posted here in Feb 2022 that the next plowable storm would be 2 yrs away?    (and then they would be correct as mid Feb 2022 was NYC and south's last event of note.)

My “get worried” date is 1/15 since I know Ninos are back-loaded and we went from record warm Dec to record largest NYC snowstorm in Jan 2016, but we need some pretty major changes. Of course all we really need is a few days to line up with a major Nino juiced storm. And we don’t need Arctic cold in Jan/Feb but raging Pacific warmth will never work. 

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1 hour ago, uofmiami said:

 

He's making a fair point about the seasonal IOD collapse and subsequent weakening of the standing wave signal in the IO.  Not sure that's necessarily the way out on it's own like he's indicating here, but the path analysis to source region shift makes sense conceptually.

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10 minutes ago, jm1220 said:

My “get worried” date is 1/15 since I know Ninos are back-loaded and we went from record warm Dec to record largest NYC snowstorm in Jan 2016, but we need some pretty major changes. Of course all we really need is a few days to line up with a major Nino juiced storm. And we don’t need Arctic cold in Jan/Feb but raging Pacific warmth will never work. 

If we get to 1/15 in ANY year and it's not looking good, it's probably not coming.   

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37 minutes ago, Brian5671 said:

I think most would happily take a plowable event.  Imagine if someone posted here in Feb 2022 that the next plowable storm would be 2 yrs away?    (and then they would be correct as mid Feb 2022 was NYC and south's last event of note.)

Ground was too warm to make that event plowable. 
 

last event that required snow removal in the metro was 1/22/22

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6 minutes ago, Allsnow said:

We should get a 2-3 week stretch of cold weather come January. The standing wave in p7 is finally dissipating and we will have a new wave form in p1. The enso map for p3 and p4 for Nino January is cold in the east 

The hallmark of a ratter-a 2 to 3 week winter LOL.  Let's hope it delivers....

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