December 2023

[MJO812]

Just now, the_other_guy said:

Oh please it was a two day cold snap that was already warming up by Christmas Day. It was alarming how we can’t keep cold for more than 48 hours now even when it’s that deep.

We can't buy a big cold outbreak anymore . Winter is dying on the east coast.

 

[Volcanic Winter]

3 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

Christmas actually felt like Christmas last year with temps in the single digits on Christmas eve morning.

Yeah it did, I remember when that arctic front moved through, it was pretty bonkers how hard temps crashed. 

[frd]

16 minutes ago, bluewave said:

Whenever Canada gets this warm, the North American snow cover extent goes way down.

https://globalcryospherewatch.org/state_of_cryo/snow/

 

 

 

This might effect how fast temps get back to normal and dare I say below normal up North after Jan 1 st. The cryosphere is  looking sick. Decadal low snow extent. 

 

 

[Brian5671]

1 minute ago, the_other_guy said:

Oh please it was a two day cold snap that was already warming up by Christmas Day. It was alarming how we can’t keep cold for more than 48 hours now even when it’s that deep.

Yeah big deal...and it was bone dry-worthless without snow...and you are right as soon as any cold comes you can see the warmth right behind it...

[EastonSN+]

2 minutes ago, Brian5671 said:

We had a big slop storm here in early Feb that dropped 8-9 inches that year.  That plus the blizzard made for a decent 3 week stretch but that was about it.  After the cold snap winter was over that year..

Our area actually had an average snowfall winter with a few events. Below are a couple of them

 

 

 

[the_other_guy]

8 minutes ago, Brian5671 said:

We had a big slop storm here in early Feb that dropped 8-9 inches that year.  That plus the blizzard made for a decent 3 week stretch but that was about it.  After the cold snap winter was over that year..

That was a N W storm right? I remember not much in city

[lee59]

You know our weather is not what we want when all we talk about is the past and the future. 

[North and West]

Christmas actually felt like Christmas last year with temps in the single digits on Christmas eve morning.

Yea… but it didn’t snow for many the rest of the winter.


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[wdrag]

Possibly worthwhile to monitor Sunday(17th)-Thursday (21st) of next week.  Something looks to be coming and it may again be marginally cold enough... embedded within a general warmer than normal period.  I'll add a sampler of snow and rain totals on the Dec 10-11 thread. 

[North and West]

We can't buy a big cold outbreak anymore . Winter is dying on the east coast.
 

This is like the stages of grief, my friend.


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[Brian5671]

6 minutes ago, the_other_guy said:

That was a N W storm right? I remember not much in city

yep-see the map above

[Brian5671]

4 minutes ago, North and West said:

Yea… but it didn’t snow for many the rest of the winter.


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we had 2 outbreaks last winter, the 2nd in early Feb-but both were cold and bone dry and in and out within 2 days-no blocking to hold it in...

[MJO812]

Hey Bluewave , great call on the 2 week stall in phase 6. You nailed it.

Question , do you think that helps the strat like it did when it stalled in Feb 18?

[EastonSN+]

1 minute ago, Brian5671 said:

yep-see the map above

North and East.....

[lee59]

17 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

We can't buy a big cold outbreak anymore . Winter is dying on the east coast.

 

All though it is nothing to write home about for them, many areas in northern New England have had mostly snow covered ground since around Thanksgiving.

[MJO812]

4 minutes ago, lee59 said:

All though it is nothing to write home about for them, many areas in northern New England have had mostly snow covered ground since around Thanksgiving.

Yep must be great to be a snow weenie up there. We live in a terrible area.

[Brian5671]

6 minutes ago, lee59 said:

All though it is nothing to write home about for them, many areas in northern New England have had mostly snow covered ground since around Thanksgiving.

They always do well when it's warm here-storm track favors them-Caribou's biggest snow years are torches here

[JustinRP37]

Belleayre added 7 inches of natural snow this morning to their seasonal total. Might not be in your backyard, but still a much better start to the winter season than last year. Also, while it might look bleak for snow in your backyard for the next few weeks, statistics are still against another shutout this season so breathe. 
 

On a side note our boiler went into lockout mode so waiting on a tech today. Thankfully it isn’t brutally cold but it is currently wet snowing outside. 

[the_other_guy]

6 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

Yep must be great to be a snow weenie up there. We live in a terrible area.

 

31 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

We can't buy a big cold outbreak anymore . Winter is dying on the east coast.

 

Man, it’s really all or nothing with you.

 

Just some advice, you need to check some of the emotion on these posts. Its not as bad or good as you think. It isnt a 2015 redo, and it isnt 1993.

+2-4 month with little to no snow unless we get lucky

[SACRUS]

 

64 yesterday.  now 39 off a low of 36, 1.92 in the bucket

 

 

  

[Volcanic Winter]

Yeah perspective is in order (for myself as well, I’ve been bummed for sure). I think it’s very logical to see this as potentially a cooler redux of 15-16. Though I wouldn’t ever count on a HECS, we should fair better rolling into prime winter. 

[North and West]

Man, it’s really all or nothing with you.
 
Just some advice, you need to check some of the emotion on these posts. Its not as bad or good as you think. It isnt a 2015 redo, and it isnt 1993.
+2-4 month with little to no snow unless we get lucky

His enthusiasm is terrific, but he’s just having a moment. Let him process it.

100% on it’s not as bad as you think. I know a lot of people have mentioned we’ve been spoiled the past 25 years, so when you regress to the mean, it just sucks.

You hit .300 for the year? That means you could have hit .450 for three months and .150 for the other three! That .150 is going to hurt.


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[SACRUS]

 

Records:

 

Highs:



EWR:  69 (2021)
NYC: 66 (2021)
LGA:  67 (2021)


Lows:

EWR: 11 (1977)
NYC: 6 (1880)
LGA: 14 (1988)

 

Historical:

 

1932 - Very cold weather prevailed along the West Coast. San Francisco received 0.8 inch of snow, and at the airport the temperature dipped to 20 degrees. At Sacramento CA, the mercury dipped to 17 degrees to establish an all-time record low for that location. Morning lows were below freezing from the 9th to the 15th at Sacramento, and the high on the 11th was just 34 degrees. The cold wave dealt severe damage to truck crops and orange groves in the Sacramento Valley. (David Ludlum) (The Weather Channel)

1987 - Low pressure over southwestern Ontario, Canada, brought snow and gusty winds to the North Central U.S. Winds gusted to 62 mph at Riverton WY. Snow and high winds in eastern North Dakota reduced visibilities to less than one hundred feet at times. Warm weather prevailed across the Southern Plains Region. Half a dozen cities reported record high temperatures for the date, including Del Rio TX with a reading of 89 degrees. Laredo TX and Kingsville TX tied for honors as hot spot in the nation with afternoon highs of 92 degrees. (The National Weather Summary)

1988 - Arctic cold invaded the central and eastern U.S. Sault Ste Marie MI reported a record low of 14 degrees below zero, and International Falls MN was the cold spot in the nation with a low of 25 degrees below zero. Temperatures remained below zero all day over parts of eastern Upper Michigan and northern New England. (The National Weather Summary)

1989 - Strong Santa Ana winds developed across southern California and parts of central California. Winds in Kern County of central California gusted to 100 mph near Grapevine. The high winds reduced visibilities to near zero in the desert areas, closing major interstate highways east of Ontario CA. (Storm Data) (The National Weather Summary)

1992:A complex storm system moved eastward from the Gulf Coast of Texas to eastern Georgia on December 9 and 10th. In the next 24 hours, the low-pressure system moved to the Chesapeake Bay and rapidly intensified. This system produced gale force winds with gusts exceeding hurricane force affected not only the Mid-Atlantic coastline but also as far southwest as the southern Appalachians where trees were downed and roofs damaged. This storm also produced 20 to 30-foot waves in Massachusetts on December 12 and 13th. Precipitation amounts varied considerably. Rainfall amounts of 8 inches occurred in southeastern Massachusetts, while several areas in New York, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, and Maryland recorded more than 30 inches of snow. Precipitation ended during the evening hours on the 12th. Ten deaths resulted from the storm with insured losses totaling near $850 million and non-insured losses near $2 billion.

2008 - A rare snowstorm swept across parts of south Louisiana and Mississippi, blanketing the area with snow. Nearly 8 inches of snow fell over parts of Louisiana. These conditions caused schools and bridges to close and left thousands of residents without power (Associated Press). (NCDC)

2010 - The "Pineapple Express" - a meteorological event where southwest winds bring warm, moist air to the U.S. West Coast - produced record rainfall to the Pacific Northwest during December 11th-12th. Seattle experienced record daily rainfall two days in a row. The Seattle-Tacoma International Airport recorded 1.42 inches of rain on the 11th, breaking the old daily record of 1.32 inches set in 1955. The next day, 2.19 inches fell, breaking the daily record of 1.70 inches set in 1966. The Stillaguamish River in western Washington state reached 21.06 feet at Arlington, tying the record set in November 2006. Flood stage for the river is 14 feet. The storm system also brought record warmth to the area. On December 14th, the temperature at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport reached 57, breaking the old daily record of 55 set in 2004. (NCDC)

[Brian5671]

9 minutes ago, Volcanic Winter said:

Yeah perspective is in order (for myself as well, I’ve been bummed for sure). I think it’s very logical to see this as potentially a cooler redux of 15-16. Though I wouldn’t ever count on a HECS, we should fair better rolling into prime winter. 

It will likely remain stormy with the STJ-let's hope we can link up with some cold air-but that looks to be up to a month away at this juncture-PAC air in December won't cut it.

[JustinRP37]

52 minutes ago, the_other_guy said:

 

Man, it’s really all or nothing with you.

 

Just some advice, you need to check some of the emotion on these posts. Its not as bad or good as you think. It isnt a 2015 redo, and it isnt 1993.

+2-4 month with little to no snow unless we get lucky

Not to mention you have already posted a few times you have been out on the snow to ski, which is earlier than last year. Snow is really not that far away from the city either! A quick 90-120 minute drive is all people need so far this December. Reading the doom and gloom here you'd think that the ski areas were still in summer operations mode. 

[snowman19]

Whenever Canada gets this warm, the North American snow cover extent goes way down.

https://globalcryospherewatch.org/state_of_cryo/snow/

 
 
 

Not a good sign when you are approaching mid-December and the snowcover on our side of the pole is this bad. Arctic sea ice is also below normal and all of the arctic cold is on the other side of the pole in Eurasia

[Allsnow]

4 minutes ago, snowman19 said:

Not a good sign when you are approaching mid-December and the snowcover on our side of the pole is this bad. Arctic sea ice is also below normal and all of the arctic cold is on the other side of the pole in Eurasia

If this was late January or early February winter would be over. 

[North and West]

If this was late January or early February winter would be over. 

Eh, it’s the same conversations every year, like clockwork.


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[Allsnow]

1 minute ago, North and West said:

Eh, it’s the same conversations every year, like clockwork.


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I say that because of how long it would take to reverse the h5 look at that point of the season 

[North and West]

I say that because of how long it would take to reverse the h5 look at that point of the season 

Oh, I’m not denying what you’re saying (in fact, I have no idea what you’re talking about), it’s just that like Christmas decorating and raking leaves, it’s a seasonal tradition to declare winter over and walk through the stages of grief.


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