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3 minutes ago, schoeppeya said:

Hey well if wearing his mask until summer 22 makes him feel warm and fuzzy inside, he can go right ahead and do so. Won’t be many people joining in though. 

Where’s the personal bacteria farm guy? He might have something to say.

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23 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said:

I said vaccinated not fully vaccinated. 

If that's the case, you can't also go around pedalling the effectiveness rates for fully vaccinationed individuals at the same time. Again, spreading misinformation. 

Furthermore, this herd immunity threshold you're hoping we reach is with the assumption that a percentage of americans amongst *ALL* age groups are *FULLY* vaccinated. Hate to break it to you, but per the numbers I sourced earlier, we're not even close to that point. 

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17 minutes ago, schoeppeya said:

There's no use arguing with somebody who thinks we need restrictions until there is a zero percent chance anyone can catch covid or have symptoms. 

I never said that.

I do, however, take issue with people spreading false information about the virus like several individuals are doing in this thread.

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5 minutes ago, Powerball said:

I never said that.

I do, however, take issue with people spreading false information about the virus like several individuals are doing in this thread.

You’re talking about the people providing cdc/government links for everything they are posting. 

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15 minutes ago, schoeppeya said:

Hey well if wearing his mask until summer 22 makes him feel warm and fuzzy inside, he can go right ahead and do so. Won’t be many people joining in though. 

I don't really care as long as I can go to gatherings and do other stuff.

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5 minutes ago, schoeppeya said:

You’re talking about the people providing cdc/government links for everything they are posting. 

When you're misconstruing when the CDC/government is saying, you're still spreading false information. 

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19 minutes ago, Powerball said:

I never said that.

I do, however, take issue with people spreading false information about the virus like several individuals are doing in this thread.

Give it a rest they are spreading factual information and you are getting hung up on very minor minutia. If vaccine rates continue at their current pace the timelines posted are accurate that we will have a critical mass of people vaccinated by late May with first shots and full vaccination a month later.  As was posted the econd shot only provides modest additional benefit.  Look at the UK to see how well their first shot strategy is working.

I think the bigger concern is that vaccine rates are unlikely to continue at this pace due to reduced demand from people that are actually buying into false information. 

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8 minutes ago, mattb65 said:

Give it a rest they are spreading factual information... 

No, they are not.

Instead, you have a bunch of people in an echo chamber who are only hearing what they want to hear and taking bits and pieces of information out of context because they're so desperate for life to return back to the normal they had grown accustomed to in 2019.

I get it, times have been trying. But the fact of the matter is, as a nation we still have a long ways to go before the coronavirus no longer dictates the way we live. 

 

 

 

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50 minutes ago, schoeppeya said:

It's has been, so far, 100% percent effective at preventing death (and I believe hospitalizations thus far). 96% of people not getting seriously sick isn't good enough for you?

 

There was a recent story out of Washington state that mentioned that some fully vaccinated people were hospitalized with covid.  It was a very small number though... I think 8 people or something.

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I do expect the vaccine pace to slow down some in the next month or two.  Obviously the timing on that will be important.  At this point, I don't think we'll actually see 80% of the 16+ crowd get vaccinated, unless a significant number of people were lying in the public opinion polls.  Never know I guess.

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11 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

There was a recent story out of Washington state that mentioned that some fully vaccinated people were hospitalized with covid.  It was a very small number though... I think 8 people or something.

Small numbers, but there are hospitalizations after vaccination

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/ezike-just-72-of-2-5-million-individuals-vaccinated-against-covid-hospitalized-due-to-virus/2481842/

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6 minutes ago, dta1984 said:

One thing missing from the story is how many covid cases were there among those 2.5 million fully vaccinated?  72 hospitalized out of how many cases?

 

According to Ezike, just 72 of the more than 2.5 million individuals in the state who have been fully vaccinated against the virus have been hospitalized after contracting COVID-19 following their shots, with just 0.003% of vaccinated individuals developing serious-enough cases of the virus to be hospitalized.

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43 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

I don't really care as long as I can go to gatherings and do other stuff.

Didn't the cdc say you can gather normally after vaccination?  

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1 minute ago, dta1984 said:

Didn't the cdc say you can gather normally after vaccination?  

This is what the CDC said:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated.html

It says only gather around folks who have also been fully vaccinated or are not at high risk.

It specifically says *DON'T* attend medium / large gathering (such as Football games), and *DON'T* be around high-risk people indoors without a mask

 

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38 minutes ago, Powerball said:

No, they are not.

Instead, you have a bunch of people in an echo chamber who are only hearing what they want to hear and taking bits and pieces of information out of context because they're so desperate for life to return back to the normal they had grown accustomed to in 2019.

I get it, times have been trying. But the fact of the matter is, as a nation we still have a long ways to go before the coronavirus no longer dictates the way we live. 

 

 

 

If you think this place is an echo chamber you haven’t been here long. 
 

Sports and every other major event plan on being full capacity in the fall. I’ll be vaccinated and I’ll be there, along with 80k other people (per game) You keep doing you though. 
 

And, you want to talk about misinformation? How about acting like being vaccinated doesn’t prevent you from dying from Covid, which is really all that matters. Or, that there’s any good reason not to live life like normal when everybody who wants the vaccine has gotten it. Because as far as I can tell the only reason you came in here to spread your self righteous bullshit. 

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17 minutes ago, Powerball said:

This is what the CDC said:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated.html

It says only gather around folks who have also been fully vaccinated or are not at high risk.

It specifically says *DON'T* attend medium / large gathering (such as Football games), and *DON'T* be around high-risk people indoors without a mask

 

Looks like that part is mostly up to the states (see TX).  Most other fall sports look to return to full capacity this fall.

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8 minutes ago, schoeppeya said:

Had anyone died from Covid after getting their first dose?

I linked a story here recently that mentioned a guy who had the first dose, developed covid and died before getting the 2nd dose.  Some other reports of vaccinated people dying in Michigan which are being investigated.  We are talking about small numbers though.

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12 minutes ago, dta1984 said:

Looks like that part is mostly up to the states (see TX).  Most other fall sports look to return to full capacity this fall.

I'm not sure what your point is. What's mandated and not has always been up to the states since the beginning of the pandemic. 

Since there was a question about what the CDC says (and they've always been just guidelines), I thought I'd post a link directly to the source so we're not baselessly speculating. But it is interesting to me that some folks in this thread claim to be relying on what the CDC says, and then in the same breath cry about doing their own thing when they disagree with the CDC's guidelines.

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36 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

One thing missing from the story is how many covid cases were there among those 2.5 million fully vaccinated?  72 hospitalized out of how many cases?

 

 

 

Whose to say they didn't' get Covid very closely after getting vaccinated in which case the vaccine would not be effective yet? You're not fully vaccinated until 2 weeks after the 2nd shot. 

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3 minutes ago, Powerball said:

I'm not sure what your point is. What's mandated and not has always been up to the states since the beginning of the pandemic. 

Since there was a question about what the CDC says (and they've always been just guidelines), I thought I'd post a link directly to the source. But it is interesting to me that some folks in this thread claim to be relying on what the CDC says, and then in the same breath cry about doing their own thing when they disagree with the CDC's guidelines.

I was just answering @MJO812 question about gatherings.  Cdc says ok, assuming he's talking about personal family or friend gatherings.

You brought up the football, which i was just pointing out is state controlled (capacity of stadiums). 

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56 minutes ago, Powerball said:

No, they are not.

Instead, you have a bunch of people in an echo chamber who are only hearing what they want to hear and taking bits and pieces of information out of context because they're so desperate for life to return back to the normal they had grown accustomed to in 2019.

I get it, times have been trying. But the fact of the matter is, as a nation we still have a long ways to go before the coronavirus no longer dictates the way we live. 

 

 

 

They literally posted data from the CDC... we don't have a long ways to go,  a couple more months isn't that long. 

This model has been remarkably accurate to include predicting the plateau/rise in cases over the past 6 weeks - months before it happened.  It predicts cases droping dramatically through May and June where June 1st has 33k cases total on June 1 and less than 10k by July 1 - that's total cases not positive tests. At that level and with the majority of high risk people vaccinated,  I would bet that the daily death rate will be less than 100. If we have infections and deaths at that low of a level and >60% of adults vaccinated then we will be in a great position to have almost all of the restrictions lifted.  If that isn't good enough then nothing will. 

Source - https://covid19-projections.com/path-to-herd-immunity/

 

In addition to the infection levels getting to such low levels there is also the rational argument that once everyone who wants the vaccine will have had a chance to get it.  Once that happens, there's no good argument for restrictions imo.

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5 minutes ago, dta1984 said:

I was just answering @MJO812 question about gatherings.  Cdc says ok, assuming he's talking about personal family or friend gatherings.

You brought up the football, which i was just pointing out is state controlled (capacity of stadiums). 

 

I brought up football games because it is a type of gathering, and @MJO812 didn't specify what type of gatherings he was referring to. Also, more than one other user did brag about attending sport events at thir first opportunity.

Point being, the CDC has not given the OK to attend all types of gatherings. They are very specific on the type of gatherings fully vaccinated people should and should not attend. 

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6 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said:

Whose to say they didn't' get Covid very closely after getting vaccinated in which case the vaccine would not be effective yet? You're not fully vaccinated until 2 weeks after the 2nd shot. 

It did say the 72 were fully vaccinated.  But yeah, could it be that some of them developed covid a few days after receiving dose #2 and didn't require hospital care until 2 weeks had gone by?  Who knows.

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15 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

I linked a story here recently that mentioned a guy who had the first dose, developed covid and died before getting the 2nd dose.  Some other reports of vaccinated people dying in Michigan which are being investigated.  We are talking about small numbers though.

Even one person is one too many. #SayNoTo5G

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3 minutes ago, Powerball said:

I brought up football games because it is a type of gathering, and @MJO812 didn't specify what type of gatherings he was referring to. Also, more than one other user did brag about attending sport events at thir first opportunity.

Point being, the CDC has not given the OK to attend all types of gatherings. They are very specific on the type of gatherings fully vaccinated people can and cannot attend. 

I'm talking about big gatherings 

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7 minutes ago, mattb65 said:

They literally posted data from the CDC...

Whatever data they claim to be posting from the CDC has been, as I said, used out of context by individuals in this thread.

Also, the claim someone made about 80% of people being fully vaccinated certainly didn't come from the CDC. 

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Just now, MJO812 said:

I'm talking about big gatherings 

Ok, thanks for clarifying.

The CDC is still advising against attending large gatherings, even if you're fully vaccinated. 

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