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Wintry mix potential weekend of Jan 18-19, 2020

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Good Monday morning everyone,  

Have offered to focus the general discussion thread on next weekends storm into one single thread. It's been a terrible winter so far s of I80 and not much to boast about north of I80.  I'm adding graphics daily at about this time, until the threat fails to materialize.  No guarantees on anything. It does not look good for NYC south, so far.  Contributions are from the NWS public domain and the Weather.US and the ECMWF. We'll see how this verifies for long range value.  The first two graphics are the NWS ensemble chance of greater than .25" water equivalent of frozen precipitation.   These are run off of late day ensembles and post, "prior" to the 00z cycle ensembles. The two graphics courtesy of the ECMWF are the chances of 3+" of snow for this event which are increasing a bit in the I84 area and are from the 00z ensembles.   No LOCK on any of this coming to pass though I'm pretty confident the interior west and north of NYC will have some sort of winter hazards this weekend. Depends I think, in part on how strong the northern stream short wave is that crosses the Great Lakes.  The stronger it is, then I think the storm tracks further north.  

 

At 633AM the 14th, I added the 00z/14 NWS ensemble and EPS chance of 3+ inches of snow so that it's easy to go back and compare to reality.  The risk has increased a bit for the NWS ensemble system to something similar to the EPS.  Certainly no lock for 3+ inches s of I-84. 

 

At 457PM/19 added the NOHRSC snowfall analysis. Gives a feel for value in the ensembles.  Later, Walt

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Should be an interesting week of tracking. Like you just said , the further north the primary is, the more warmth there will be.

Gfs just shifted slightly south with the primary and the Euro also did the same. Should this continue, the area would see more frozen on the front end.

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4 minutes ago, Snow88 said:

Should be an interesting week of tracking. Like you just said , the further north the primary is, the more warmth there will be.

Gfs just shifted slightly south with the primary and the Euro also did the same. Should this continue, the area would see more frozen on the front end.

The GEFS has hinted at a coastal redevelopment south of us. Not out of the realm of possibilities.

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Don't see how we wouldn't get 2-4" or more from the front end. Strong surface cold and pretty cold mid-levels to start too. 

HP is 1040+ before it weakens so some sort of CAD is likely too. 

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10 minutes ago, SnoSki14 said:

Don't see how we wouldn't get 2-4" or more from the front end. Strong surface cold and pretty cold mid-levels to start too. 

HP is 1040+ before it weakens so some sort of CAD is likely too. 

I agree unless there are drastic changes which, surely is still on the table.

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The GFS has been the most consistent of all the models for several days now one run after another - not impossible in mid- January with a strong high in front of it slow to leave the area- it also has shifted the higher totals south across southern inland NJ this run

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Some really nice trends with this over night. Last week I mentioned a possible overrunning threat around this timeframe. I can just see ch 7 news now, with the screen shot of last Saturday in the 70’s at Central Park compared to next Saturday in the snow lol. 

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3 minutes ago, Allsnow said:

Some really nice trends with this over night. Last week I mentioned a possible overrunning threat around this timeframe. I can just see ch 7 news now, with the screen shot of last Saturday in the 70’s at Central Park compared to next Saturday in the snow lol. 

How was the 6z eps on the low placement for Saturdays event bud?

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9 minutes ago, NYCweatherNOW said:

How was the 6z eps on the low placement for Saturdays event bud?

Pretty far north. The front end is still there but the eps makes it more of a Saturday night event. 

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22 minutes ago, Snow88 said:

6z?

I don't have access to 6Z - thought you have WeatherBell ? Don't they have 6Z ? Just don't post it here they are copyright protected.

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40 minutes ago, Allsnow said:

Pretty far north. The front end is still there but the eps makes it more of a Saturday night event. 

Models are delaying the timing a bit, on the plus side if the front end is at night it may help with temps/totals

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12z gfs really blowing up the cutter for Thursday in New England. This should really help with confluence for Saturday.

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6 minutes ago, Allsnow said:

12z gfs really blowing up the cutter for Thursday in New England. This should really help with confluence for Saturday.

This is definitely going to be a colder run then 06z. The storm blowing up beforehand help keeps the artic high in place. 

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1 minute ago, Allsnow said:

This is definitely going to be a colder run then 06z. The storm blowing up beforehand help keeps the artic high in place. 

High is noticeably stronger too. Let’s see what happens. FWIW which is something I guess the icon was much colder for Saturday’s event

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Just now, NYCweatherNOW said:

High is noticeably stronger too. Let’s see what happens. FWIW which is something I guess the icon was much colder for Saturday’s event

Low around Erie helps also. Lots of overrunning snows this run for the area. Only negative it the high splits so we a bit of a southeast wind along the coast 

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4-8 thump for the area on the Gfs. It’s nice to see but keep expectations in check. Models have been horrible this winter and having a low in upstate ny isn’t ideal. It’s really all about that high pressure for the nyc metro. 

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1 minute ago, Allsnow said:

4-8 thump for the area on the Gfs. It’s nice to see but keep expectations in check. Models have been horrible this winter and having a low in upstate ny isn’t ideal. It’s really all about that high pressure for the nyc metro. 

The primary is weaker and further south. The high is really nice up north.

Gfs has been leading the way so far 

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3 minutes ago, Allsnow said:

4-8 thump for the area on the Gfs. It’s nice to see but keep expectations in check. Models have been horrible this winter and having a low in upstate ny isn’t ideal. It’s really all about that high pressure for the nyc metro. 

the other issue is that midlevel warmth usually comes in faster than modeled, I'd expect a quicker change to sleet as it transitions from snow to rain

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Hoping for at least a couple inches Saturday afternoon so the kids can play in the snow before the changeover. 

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4 minutes ago, Zelocita Weather said:

Wow, basically a complete snowstorm for the entire region on the GFS with VERY COLD air in place. Not even sure much mix would enter the picture per that run. 

It turns to rain on the GFS: https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=gfs&region=neus&pkg=mslp_pcpn_frzn&runtime=2020011312&fh=138

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It does turn to rain but it was a colder run. the high pressure almost turns this into a full blown miller B snowstorm. It’s trending in our way still.

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3 minutes ago, TriPol said:

The entire region except the immediate NYC Metro Area and Long Island.

Gfs is trying to form a miller B further south

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Just now, forkyfork said:

this is a good sign 

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Yeah the high was stronger and further west. We need to root for a stronger storm in New England on Thursday.

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6 minutes ago, Zelocita Weather said:

Wow, basically a complete snowstorm for the entire region on the GFS with VERY COLD air in place. Not even sure much mix would enter the picture per that run. 

Maybe if someone has soundings we can confirm your statement?

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2 minutes ago, Allsnow said:

Yeah the high was stronger and further west. We need to root for a stronger storm in New England on Thursday.

Cmc is more amped with Thursdays low

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