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Summer 2019 Banter Thread

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20 hours ago, bluewave said:

Yeah, they call it a SPLASH event. But those drifts were caused by small hail being carried and piled by flash flood waters. No doubt that the amount of small hail that was very impressive.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2019/07/02/mexico-hail-storm-was-massive-wasnt-something-new/?utm_term=.e329decee808

 

too bad hail doesn't count as snow but that doesn't mean it can't be treated as such by winter sports enthusiasts ;-) I wonder how long it stayed on the ground?

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3 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

too bad hail doesn't count as snow but that doesn't mean it can't be treated as such by winter sports enthusiasts ;-) I wonder how long it stayed on the ground?

We have had weaker versions of flash flooding piling up hail.

 

 

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On 7/5/2019 at 7:03 AM, bluewave said:

We have had weaker versions of flash flooding piling up hail.

 

 

whats the largest size hail we've had in our part of Nassau County?  I was overseas in Europe one year in the 90s and when I came back I was told that a car dealership in Hewlett had many of their cars windshields destroyed because of large hail.  I dont remember the exact year, but it was in the summer (June or July) in 1994 I think?

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15 hours ago, bluewave said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Maxar_Weather/status/1147124424656732162

Here is a look at the peak high thus far this year--Anchorage, Alaska managed to hit 90° before some locations in the Great Lakes region, Northeast, and Mountain West.

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Do you think it's possible with our climate changing to one of more heat and moisture that we might actually stabilize with the number of highs we have in the 90s and temps of 100 or above might become a once in a decade occurrence?  Instead of what the climate models have been predicting which is something like an average of 3 per year by 2050?  In that case perhaps we should change how we measure heat to mean days with a dew point of 75 or higher?  This is becoming like Florida, which also rarely gets 100 degree days, but certainly has a lot of high humidity.

 

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7 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

whats the largest size hail we've had in our part of Nassau County?  I was overseas in Europe one year in the 90s and when I came back I was told that a car dealership in Hewlett had many of their cars windshields destroyed because of large hail.  I dont remember the exact year, but it was in the summer (June or July) in 1994 I think?

3.00 inch hail on 8-1-11.

https://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=LSROKX&e=201108022246

 

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25 minutes ago, forkyfork said:

are cold summers even possible anymore

Probably need a massive volcanic eruption, like Pinatubo, for that to happen again.

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least and most 90 degree days for Newark NJ since 1933...

year.....total...cons...max...total 100 days...

1933.....18.....….5.....101.....1

1934.....18...…...5.....100.....1

1935.....14...…...3...….96

1936.....22...…...5.....104.....2

1937.....22...…...5.....100.....1

1938.....18...…...3...….95

1939.....24...…...3......95

 

1940.....15...…...5......99

1941.....27...…...4......97

1942.....15...…...2......98

1943.....31...…...4.....102.....2

1944.....39...…...8.....102.....4

1945.....24...…...5...….99

1946.....11...…...3......95

1947.....22...…...4......99

1948.....26...…...6.....103.....2

1949.....36...…...8.....105.....8

 

1950.....18...…...4...….98

1951.....18...…...3...….96

1952.....31...…...6.....102.....1

1953.....32...….11.....105.....6

1954.....18...…...3.....103.....2

1955.....32...…...6.....101.....4

1956.....14...…...5...….99

1957.....28...…...5.....101.....1

1958.....21...…...3...….96

1959.....40...…...5.....100.....1

 

1960.....13...…...4...….94

1961.....34...…...4...….98

1962.....14...…...4...….98

1963.....20...…...6.....100.....1

1964.....26...…...4...….99

1965.....26...…...4...….97

1966.....33...…...5.....105.....5

1967...….7...…...3...….95

1968.....23...…...4...….98

1969.....15...…...3...….96

 

1970.....22...…...5...….94

1971.....22...…...5...….96

1972.....21...….12...….96

1973.....31...….11.....100.....1

1974.....18...…...4...….98

1975.....12...…...4...….98

1976.....14...…...3...….93

1977.....26...…...9.....102.....2

1978.....16...…...5...….98

1979.....20...…...5...….96

 

1980.....27...…...4.....101.....2

1981.....21...…...8...….98

1982.....12...…...4.....100.....1

1983.....40...…...7...….99

1984.....22...…...5...….97

1985.....11...…...3...….97

1986.....22...…...5.....100.....1

1987.....37...…...8...….98

1988.....43...….20.....101.....5

1989.....27...…...6...….99

 

1990.....26...…...4...….98

1991.....41...…...7.....102.....2

1992.....22...…...3...….98

1993.....49...….10.....105.....9

1994.....39...…...5.....102.....2

1995.....33...….12.....104.....1

1996...….9...…...3...….99

1997.....20...…...6.....101.....2

1998.....21...…...4...….98

1999.....33...…...8.....103.....3

 

2000.....16...…...4...….96

2001.....22...…...5.....105.....3

2002.....41...….10.....100.....2

2003.....20...…...5...….95

2004.....13...…...2...….97

2005.....37...…...5.....102.....3

2006.....31...….10.....101.....3

2007.....21...…...4...….97

2008.....22...…...7...….99

2009.....11...…...7...….95

 

2010.....54...….14.....103.....4

2011.....31...…...5.....108.....4

2012.....33...….11.....104.....3

2013.....25...…...7.....101.....2

2014.....15...…...3...….96

2015.....35...…...9...….98

2016.....40...…...8...….99

2017.....22...…...4...….99

2018.....36...…...6...….98

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Extreme severe thunderstorm outbreak this week in Europe.

It produced an extremely severe, devastating hailstorm over Pescara and the vicinity. Giant hailstones up to 15 cm (6″) were reported, tying the European record! Widespread major hail damage was reported in Pescara and the vicinity. Additionally, severe straight line winds and flash flooding were reported in multiple locations.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2564537113769374&id=1377757209114043&__tn__=-R

http://www.severe-weather.eu/recent-events/extremely-severe-thunderstorm-hits-pescara-central-italy-july-10th-2019/

https://www.essl.org/cms/severe-weather-outbreak-of-6-10-july-2019/

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On 6/26/2019 at 7:03 AM, bluewave said:

They were both the strongest of their class for the South Shore of Nassau. 

An intense line of severe thunderstorms oriented from north to south developed during Labor Day afternoon ahead of a strong approaching cold front. As the storms moved east at 40 to 50 mph, they produced high winds, large hail, and an isolated tornado. Wind gusts from 60 to 80 mph downed many trees and power lines throughout the area. The cost estimates of damage included above are preliminary figures submitted by the Nassau County Office of Emergency Management.

In Richmond County, the following peak wind gusts were reported: 80 mph at Great Kills, the Verranzano Bridge, and in Richmond. High winds downed trees and caused a building to collapse in Richmond. One tree fell on and injured a man in Richmond.

In New York County (Manhattan), high winds caused a building to collapse.

In the Bronx, high winds downed a tree that fell on 3 people resulting in 1 death and 2 injuries in the courtyard of the Edenwald Houses at 1135 East 229th Street.

In Kings County (Brooklyn), high winds downed and uprooted several large trees. One tree fell on and injured a person at East 229th Street. Five to 6-foot diameter trees were uprooted east of Coney Island in the Gerritsen Beach Section, where 3 funnel clouds were also sighted and a firefighter was injured from large hail. Large trees also fell on and damaged cars in Bensonhurst.

In Queens County, a peak wind gust of 62 mph was measured at both LaGuardia Airport and at JFK Airport.

In Nassau County, the following peak wind gusts were reported: 75 mph in Farmingdale, 60 mph in Port Washington and Mineola and 58 mph at Farmingdale Republic Airport. High winds downed large tree limbs at Rockville Center, Baldwin, and Oceanside and downed trees in Long Beach, Massapequa, and Valley Stream. One-inch diameter hail dented cars and covered the ground in Farmingdale.

In Suffolk County, high winds overturned many boats in the Great South Bay, downed large trees in West Babylon and Rocky Point and downed large tree limbs in Wading River. One person died when a thunderstorm wind gust capsized a 19 foot sail boat in Great South Bay near Copiague. A Centerport woman, 36, and her daughter, 3, were injured when a tree fell on them in the parking lot of the Ground Round Restaurant and CVS on Fort Salonga Road. The following peak wind gusts were reported: 72 mph in Babylon and 65 mph in Fire Island.

The NWS confirmed that an F2 tornado was responsible for significant damage that occurred in Lynbrook. Most of the village received damage from straight line winds up to 80 mph, that was associated with a severe squall line. Downed trees covered the village with some structural damage where the F2 tornado touched down.

The major path of damage was from the northwest section of Lynbrook east-southeast to the southeast section of the village. Funnel clouds were observed from near the intersection of Marshall Ave. and Burtis Street and to the southeast. A tornado was first sighted by two eyewitnesses on Hampton Place. It rose and touched down several times: Second, near Winter Street and across Glover Circle; Third, along Peninsula Blvd. between Earle and Benton Avenues; and Fourth, as a weak F2 near the intersection of Rocklyn Ave. and Merrick Road. It moved across the Long Island Railroad Tracks and Sunrise Highway before it finally dissipated.

More than three hundred trees were blown over, many on houses and cars. Six people received minor injuries. Four of these were in "The Fun Zone" on Rocklyn Avenue. One woman was slightly injured by a tree that fell on her car. One police officer was also injured.

 

 

I remember this. I was in Hackensack, NJ at the time. My little 7-year-old mind was astounded by this event. 

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22 hours ago, forkyfork said:

today i saw a buckeye 

 

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Lucky you!

Here in NYC Central Park, we rejoice when we see a few Monarchs and Red Admirals.  Diligent pest control spraying pretty much kills everything, although I'm delighted to note the fireflies this year are numerous.  Long may they all flourish! 

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Maybe the manhattan power outage can give someone cover to go trim the trees around the central park sensor.

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16 hours ago, etudiant said:

Lucky you!

Here in NYC Central Park, we rejoice when we see a few Monarchs and Red Admirals.  Diligent pest control spraying pretty much kills everything, although I'm delighted to note the fireflies this year are numerous.  Long may they all flourish! 

what kind of "pests" are they trying to kill?  If we kill off the pollinators, the pest that will eventually go extinct is humanity ;-) and the rest of the planet will celebrate our demise!

 

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11 hours ago, Juliancolton said:

Imagine describing a daytime power outage as post-apocalyptic

 

current society would disintegrate without its technology, it's so dependent on it!

 

 

at least if the power outage had happened at night we would finally be able to see stars (the real ones!)  lessen that light pollution!

I think the 1977 black out gave people the wrong idea that less light means more crime.... there wasn't a significant increase in crime during the August 2004 major black out nor was there such last night either....

 

not to mention that light pollution causes health problems including a higher risk of cancer (breast and prostate) because of melatonin repression.

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

what kind of "pests" are they trying to kill?  If we kill off the pollinators, the pest that will eventually go extinct is humanity ;-) and the rest of the planet will celebrate our demise!

 

The Conservancy runs the Park, because they provide over 75% of the money. So they set the priorities, which are to make the Park as attractive to everyone as possible.

That means mosquitoes and biting flies are unwanted, as are caterpillars dangling from the trees. Unfortunately, the cheapest way to fight such 'pests' are broad spectrum insecticides, so there is a lot of collateral damage.

Not sure how to fix this.

Ideally, the Conservancy would add a priority for natural habitat preservation, with success measured by the number of breeding species rather than only the number of human visitors.

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23 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

what kind of "pests" are they trying to kill?  If we kill off the pollinators, the pest that will eventually go extinct is humanity ;-) and the rest of the planet will celebrate our demise!

I'm forced to douse my cucurbits with Sevin to kill cucumber beetles that would otherwise eat plants down to their stalks within days of a missed application (and no pepper spray/vinegar/neem/CBD oil potion is up to the task). I simply have no choice if I want to grow any squash. As a consequence, pollinators are totally absent and every morning I have to spent 45 minutes pollinating by hand. It's a pretty rotten state of affairs.

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On 7/14/2019 at 10:01 AM, LibertyBell said:

what kind of "pests" are they trying to kill?  If we kill off the pollinators, the pest that will eventually go extinct is humanity ;-) and the rest of the planet will celebrate our demise!

 

everyone these days wants a sanitized outdoor living room instead of a yard, consequences be damned

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2 hours ago, Juliancolton said:

I'm forced to douse my cucurbits with Sevin to kill cucumber beetles that would otherwise eat plants down to their stalks within days of a missed application (and no pepper spray/vinegar/neem/CBD oil potion is up to the task). I simply have no choice if I want to grow any squash. As a consequence, pollinators are totally absent and every morning I have to spent 45 minutes pollinating by hand. It's a pretty rotten state of affairs.

What are the predators of cucumber beetles? Mantis? A friend of mine was highly interested in perma-culture, where you essentially plant in a manner to create natural inhibitors. I have considered it, but don't have the time to start that project yet. 

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5 hours ago, ForestHillWx said:

What are the predators of cucumber beetles? Mantis? A friend of mine was highly interested in perma-culture, where you essentially plant in a manner to create natural inhibitors. I have considered it, but don't have the time to start that project yet. 

As far as I'm aware, they have few natural predators. There are some obscure species of flies and bigger beetles that will eat them, but those are hard to introduce and keep around.

Most home gardens are ridiculously unsustainable, sadly.

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Jumping spiders and great black wasps (and a lone katydid) have been keeping things in check for the most part. I sit and watch them comb through my potted plants, they get mostly everything except the caterpillars, so I’ve been having to relocate each one I see into a large tree. They were shredding everything that wasn’t poisonous until I began moving them.

I used to be super arachnophobic and equally creeped out by bees/wasps until I began growing things. Still don’t like when they get too close, but I’ll tolerate them if they’re at least 2 feet away from me.

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Speaking only to the heebie-jeebies factor, flying insects are generally OK by me except when you start getting to the super large moths that dive-bomb you at night. Crawling bugs and arachnids for the most part can go to blazes.

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bugs don't bother me at all. i even leave house centipedes alone

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I'm not a big bug fan but as long as they leave me alone I'll coexist with them reasonably well. I don't have much love for these huge spider crickets we have, they started coming out in force last year and now they're just overwhelming. Fkn things are big and they jump all over the place when you try to squash them. When you do get to squash one they explode and it splatters. Gross...

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