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Winter Re-Awakening - February 12-14th Redeveloper


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Just now, weathafella said:

So who do we trust?  

I'd lean toward the NAM....I am not quite biting on it full though. There's still some synoptic features that give me a little pause....the warm push could run into some temporary resistance, Omega will play a role too.

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1 minute ago, ORH_wxman said:

I'd lean toward the NAM....I am not quite biting on it full though. There's still some synoptic features that give me a little pause....the warm push could run into some temporary resistance, Omega will play a role too.

70/30 blend with NAM and the other stuff is what I went with.

The paint peeling pinger fest probably good for an inch of accumulation on top of whatever snow falls too.

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2 minutes ago, CT Rain said:

70/30 blend with NAM and the other stuff is what I went with.

The paint peeling pinger fest probably good for an inch of accumulation on top of whatever snow falls too.

Yeah, the sleet will initially have prob like a 4 to 1 or even 5 to 1 ratio since 900mb is so frigid...like -10C...lot of pixie dust.

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NAM is colder at Logan in the T1 sigma level on the FRH FOUS. Never higher than 0 C  at that level 

probably signals close to warning ice after several inches of sno ORH to ASH ... nasty storm should that pan out   But I have feelin this may be an inch of PLs again for many n of the pike

 

 

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3 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

Nice fresh supply of cold coming down in lower levels as John alluded to. Good luck scouring that out. 

Yeah honestly .. I don't see that happening.  I mean the warmth can fist all it wants above 900 ... Ptype fine .  But the surface locks at or less than freezing in this

shoukd be a warning for dual/ aggregate impact 

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5 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

Gotta love the old school dumbfounded look on this....Scooter and Phil ripping S+ while ART/SYR/ALB are getting scalped....lol

 

 

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Don't know exactly how the NAM and RGEM algos print out sleet but based on the soundings I just checked it appears as soon as any layer breaks the 0 c line the algos show sleet. I remember this from years ago.

Principal forecast issues

  • Liquid equivalent to sleet ratio
  • Erosion of a sleet producing melting layer, supporting snow at the expense of sleet
    • If due to melting, evaluate soundings for presence of a near freezing isothermal layer. More likely to occur when the thickness values in the 850/700 mb layer are in the 1550-57 range.
    • If due to cold air advection, note trends in the 850/700 mb partial thickness values. 
    • A max temperature in the melting layer < 1 C supports snow while temperatures > 1 C and < 3 C support a snow/sleet mix to sleet event. 

 

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Just now, CoastalWx said:

I wonder if we see a tuck as well late tomorrow night. I'm having a little trouble seeing SNH warm as much as guidance has, especially with that high location. 

Yeah, the guidance doesn't really want to produce a tuck because it has rotted out the airmass in SE NH....but I'm getting more skeptical of that as we get closer. This is a serious airmass. Look at these temps/dews being advected down. That high doesn't really move that far as the storm is moving in either.

 

If the airmass in interior SE NH is still mostly arctic in nature....then we could get a really nasty cold tuck as the secondary tracks by.

 

 

 

 

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