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Beggars can’t be Choosers strung out mess Jan 8/9


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...Addison County...
   South Lincoln          8.8   700 AM  1/10  Co-Op Observer
   Vergennes              2.6   600 AM  1/10  Co-Op Observer

...Caledonia County...
   1 W Lyndonville        9.1   800 AM  1/10  CoCoRaHS
   Sutton                 7.8   740 AM  1/10  Co-Op Observer
   2 S Wheelock           5.2   700 AM  1/10  CoCoRaHS
   N Danville             5.0   700 AM  1/10  CoCoRaHS
   2 NW Danville          4.7   700 AM  1/10  CoCoRaHS
   3 NNW Sheffield        4.3   530 AM  1/10  CoCoRaHS

...Chittenden County...
   1 NNE Huntington       9.1   815 AM  1/10  CoCoRaHS
   1 E Nashville          8.8   645 AM  1/10  Co-Op Observer
   4 NNE Underhill        8.1   700 AM  1/10  CoCoRaHS
   2 NNW Williston        7.0   807 AM  1/10  NWS Employee
   1 NE South Burlingto   6.2   830 AM  1/10  NWS Office
   1 NNW Jericho          6.0   655 AM  1/10  CoCoRaHS

...Essex County...
   2 NNW Lunenburg        6.1   600 AM  1/10  CoCoRaHS

...Franklin County...
   Fairfax                8.5   807 AM  1/10  Broadcast Media
   Enosburg Falls 2       6.0   453 AM  1/10  Co-Op Observer

...Lamoille County...
   Jeffersonville         9.0   700 AM  1/10  Co-Op Observer
   Johnson                8.0   700 AM  1/10  Co-Op Observer
   3 NE Hyde Park         7.1   700 AM  1/10  CoCoRaHS
   SW Stowe               6.4   730 AM  1/10  CoCoRaHS
   Morrisville            6.2   806 AM  1/10  Public

...Orange County...
   Corinth                7.0   650 AM  1/10  Co-Op Observer
   3 ESE Brookfield       5.3   630 AM  1/10  CoCoRaHS
   2 ESE Vershire         1.5   800 AM  1/10  CoCoRaHS

...Orleans County...
   7 SE Morgan           10.2   700 AM  1/10  CoCoRaHS
   2 NNW Greensboro       7.6   700 AM  1/10  CoCoRaHS
   4 NNE Greensboro       7.4   730 AM  1/10  CoCoRaHS
   3 ENE Barton           6.1   700 AM  1/10  CoCoRaHS
   1 WNW Westfield        5.5   715 AM  1/10  CoCoRaHS
   Newport                4.4   700 AM  1/10  Co-Op Observer

...Rutland County...
   1 NW Middletown Spri   5.9   730 AM  1/10  CoCoRaHS
   1 SSE West Rutland     3.9   800 AM  1/10  CoCoRaHS
   1 N West Rutland       3.2   615 AM  1/10  CoCoRaHS

...Washington County...
   3 NW Waterbury        11.8   600 AM  1/10  CoCoRaHS
   4 WNW Waitsfield      11.7   800 AM  1/10  CoCoRaHS
   2 NNE Waterbury Cent  10.0   800 AM  1/10  Trained Spotter
   3 NNW Woodbury         9.4   700 AM  1/10  CoCoRaHS
   Marshfield             9.0   821 AM  1/10  Trained Spotter
   1 SW East Barre        7.1  1100 PM  1/09  NWS Employee
   2 SE Waitsfield        6.7   700 AM  1/10  CoCoRaHS
   Waitsfield             6.7   700 AM  1/10  Co-Op Observer
   Montpelier 2           6.5   700 AM  1/10  Co-Op Observer
   2 E Cabot              6.4   700 AM  1/10  CoCoRaHS
   2 W Worcester          6.3   700 AM  1/10  Co-Op Observer
   Plainfield             6.0   700 AM  1/10  Co-Op Observer
   Woodbury               6.0   700 AM  1/10  Public
   2 SW East Calais       6.0   700 AM  1/10  CoCoRaHS

...Windsor County...
   Woodstock              9.0   800 AM  1/10  Co-Op Observer
   3 N Pomfret            8.4   700 AM  1/10  CoCoRaHS
   Norwich                7.6  1230 AM  1/10  Public
   3 S Ludlow             7.3   700 AM  1/10  CoCoRaHS
   North Hartland Lake    7.2   700 AM  1/10  Co-Op Observer
   2 ESE Rochester        6.5   600 AM  1/10  CoCoRaHS

 

In Washington County, the 1 SW East Barre must be pretty close to me.  Makes me fell confident that an NWS employee measured basically the same as me. 

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Public Information Statement
National Weather Service Caribou ME
1042 AM EST Thu Jan 10 2019

...48-HOUR SNOWFALL REPORTS...

Location                     Amount    Time/Date       Provider

...Maine...

...Aroostook County...
Perham                       13.0 in   0800 AM 01/10   Public
5 SSE Lille                  12.5 in   0600 AM 01/10   Trained Spotter
Oxbow                        12.5 in   0900 AM 01/10   Public
Caribou NWS                  11.4 in   0700 AM 01/10   Official NWS Obs
Presque Isle                 11.0 in   0700 AM 01/10   NWS Employee
1 SE Fort Kent               10.5 in   1026 AM 01/10   Trained Spotter
1 S Houlton                  10.5 in   1017 AM 01/10   Trained Spotter
1 SSE Ashland                10.1 in   0726 AM 01/10   Trained Spotter
Allagash                     10.0 in   0943 PM 01/09   Public
1 W Caribou                  10.0 in   1024 PM 01/09   NWS Employee
3 NNE Caribou                10.0 in   0756 AM 01/10   NWS Employee
Van Buren                    10.0 in   0824 AM 01/10   NWS Employee
1 SW Houlton                 9.4 in    0942 AM 01/10   Cocorahs
Bridgewater                  8.5 in    1120 PM 01/09   CO-OP Observer
Fort Fairfield               8.0 in    0859 PM 01/09   Public
Limestone                    8.0 in    1130 PM 01/09   NWS Employee
1 E Sherman                  8.0 in    0817 AM 01/10   Trained Spotter
4 N Stockholm                8.0 in    0810 AM 01/10   NWS Employee
Orient                       7.0 in    1000 AM 01/10   Public

...Hancock County...
East Surry                   2.3 in    0610 AM 01/10   CO-OP Observer
2 ESE Brooklin               1.6 in    0100 PM 01/09   COCORAHS
Prospect Harbor              1.5 in    1200 PM 01/08   Public
Lamoine                      1.1 in    1125 AM 01/08   Public
2 NW Franklin                1.0 in    0947 AM 01/10   Trained Spotter
1 E Mariaville               1.0 in    0800 AM 01/09   Trained Spotter
2 SE Southwest Harbor        1.0 in    1130 AM 01/08   Trained Spotter
Castine                      0.8 in    0917 PM 01/09   Public

...Penobscot County...
2 S Grand Lake Matagam       12.0 in   1000 AM 01/10   Public
Millinocket                  9.0 in    0900 PM 01/09   Trained Spotter
1 SSW Enfield                3.5 in    0426 PM 01/09   Trained Spotter
3 NW Howland                 3.2 in    0424 PM 01/09   Trained Spotter
3 NE Plymouth                2.3 in    0700 AM 01/10   COCORAHS
Bangor Airport Observer      1.6 in    0700 AM 01/10   Other Federal
Brewer                       1.5 in    0107 AM 01/10   Trained Spotter
Hampden                      1.5 in    0916 PM 01/09   Public
1 N Brewer                   1.4 in    0301 PM 01/08   Trained Spotter
1 NNW Orono                  1.0 in    1230 PM 01/08   Trained Spotter

...Piscataquis County...
Shirley                      14.0 in   0900 AM 01/10   Public
4 E Greenville               11.0 in   0435 PM 01/09   Trained Spotter
4 SSE Blanchard              10.0 in   0430 AM 01/09   Trained Spotter
6 E Greenville               9.0 in    0918 PM 01/09   Public
Dover-foxcroft               7.5 in    0700 AM 01/10   COOP
Atkinson                     7.0 in    1155 PM 01/09   Public
Guilford                     5.0 in    0418 PM 01/08   Public

...Somerset County...
St. Zacharie Crossing        7.0 in    0835 AM 01/10   Other Federal

...Washington County...
4 E East Machias             5.0 in    0900 AM 01/10   Trained Spotter
Waite                        3.0 in    1008 PM 01/09   Public
Danforth                     2.3 in    0300 PM 01/08   Public
Eastport                     1.8 in    0443 PM 01/08   Trained Spotter
Robbinston                   1.5 in    1158 PM 01/09   COOP
Eastport                     1.2 in    1045 AM 01/08   Trained Spotter
1 SW Charlotte               0.5 in    1100 AM 01/08   Trained Spotter
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Event totals: 20.0” Snow/1.56” L.E.

 

 

Details from the 5:00 P.M. Waterbury observations:

New Snow: 7.3 inches

New Liquid: 0.22 inches

Snow/Water Ratio: 33.2

Snow Density: 3.0% H2O

Temperature: 19.6 F

Sky:  Heavy Snow (2 to 10 mm flakes)

Snow at the stake: 26.0 inches

Wow, nice

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My CoCoRaHS totals don't reflect storm totals.  Maybe I'm doing it wrong.  Measured 1.5" on both 1/8 & 1/9 after it stopped snowing each day.  My CoCoRaHS reports for 1/7 was 1", 1/8 was .2", and 1/9 was .2" (as that was all that was left when I made my morning observation.  I did not wipe my board.) So that PNS will show me at 1.4" when in reality my storm total was 3".

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37 minutes ago, tunafish said:

My CoCoRaHS totals don't reflect storm totals.  Maybe I'm doing it wrong.  Measured 1.5" on both 1/8 & 1/9 after it stopped snowing each day.  My CoCoRaHS reports for 1/7 was 1", 1/8 was .2", and 1/9 was .2" (as that was all that was left when I made my morning observation.  I did not wipe my board.) So that PNS will show me at 1.4" when in reality my storm total was 3".

I'm not sure what the criteria guidelines are for CoCoRaHS reporting, I'm on the spotter network,  But probably, Steve (Ginx snewx) Tom (Tamarack) or Brian (Dendrite) can help out here.

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45 minutes ago, tunafish said:

My CoCoRaHS totals don't reflect storm totals.  Maybe I'm doing it wrong.  Measured 1.5" on both 1/8 & 1/9 after it stopped snowing each day.  My CoCoRaHS reports for 1/7 was 1", 1/8 was .2", and 1/9 was .2" (as that was all that was left when I made my morning observation.  I did not wipe my board.) So that PNS will show me at 1.4" when in reality my storm total was 3".

When did you measure the 1.5" each day. Are you saying you measured 1.5 at night on 1/8  and 1/9 and then it sublimated down to .2 each morning when you measured?

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9 minutes ago, dryslot said:

I'm not sure what the criteria guidelines are for CoCoRaHS reporting, I'm on the spotter network,  But probably, Steve (Ginx snewx) Tom (Tamarack) or Brian (Dendrite) can help out here.

Yeah I brought it up last week and those guys kindly replied.  Basically said to take the once daily morning observation on CoCoRaHS as-is, compaction/melting and all.

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6 minutes ago, backedgeapproaching said:

When did you measure the 1.5" each day. Are you saying you measured 1.5 at night on 1/8  and 1/9 and then it sublimated down to .2 each morning when you measured?

Essentially, yes.  I measured for my event total after snow stopped (or flipped to rain).  It was mid-late morning on both days.  So by 6AM the next day, it had melted down to .2.  Fine for CoCoRaHS,  misleading for the PNS that picks up my CoCoRaHS and reports it as an event total.

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1 minute ago, tunafish said:

Correct, for CoCoRaHS.  If it's snowing and stops at 11AM, I take a measurement then, but dont report that to CoCoRaHS.  That measurement is for my season total on wkevin and if I report via social media

Hmm, In that case you can lose a lot from compaction, Melt or sublimation over that period depending on start and stop times for storm systems.

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Just now, tunafish said:

Essentially, yes.  I measured for my event total after snow stopped (or flipped to rsin).  It was mid-late morning on both days.  So by 6AM the next day, it had melted down to .2.  Fine for CoCoRaHS,  misleading for the PNS that picks up my CoCoRaHS and reports it as an event total.

Actually if you are home and can do it---you should measure the 1.5" before it flipped to rain mid morning and note the 1.5" and LE, then report that as new snow the next morning. So new snow would be 1.5 to cocorahs with the snow LE.  Now if you not home and couldn't measure the 1.5" and then it rained and it was .2" when you got home, then you would report .2"

From Cocorahs

One of the difficulties with accurate and consistent snowfall measurement is related to the melting, settling, or evaporation of snow before you have a chance to measure it (especially in the Fall and Spring). Please try to do a measurement as close in time to when the storm ends as possible. Don't wait until 7AM if the snow ended the previous day. During long-duration snowfalls, you may choose to measure and clear the snowboard every six hours. The total snowfall would then be the summation of the different measurements

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1 minute ago, dryslot said:

Hmm, In that case you can lose a lot from compaction, Melt or sublimation over that period depending on start and stop times for storm systems.

Right, your not supposed to do it that way if you can help it.  Seems like he was home and able to measure...so should have reported 1.5"

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9 minutes ago, dryslot said:

Hmm, In that case you can lose a lot from compaction, Melt or sublimation over that period depending on start and stop times for storm systems.

For sure.  That's my concern with the PNS picking up my CoCoRaHS.   Doesn't reflect my true storm totals.

 

6 minutes ago, backedgeapproaching said:

Right, your not supposed to do it that way if you can help it.  Seems like he was home and able to measure...so should have reported 1.5"

You're correct.  I'm almost always available to measure as I work around the corner from home and have the flexibility to step out.

 

That info you posted is super helpful, thank you!  My first winter reporting through CoCoRaHS. 

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2 minutes ago, backedgeapproaching said:

Right, your not supposed to do it that way if you can help it.  Seems like he was home and able to measure...so should have reported 1.5"

You and i are posting at the same time and i'm missing your post........lol, But i see the criteria you just posted and that's within reason.

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19 minutes ago, tunafish said:

For sure.  That's my concern with the PNS picking up my CoCoRaHS.   Doesn't reflect my true storm totals.

 

You're correct.  I'm almost always available to measure as I work around the corner from home and have the flexibility to step out.

 

That info you posted is super helpful, thank you!  My first winter reporting through CoCoRaHS. 

No problem. You would definitely lose a good amount of snow(data and reporting wise)always waiting to 7am like Dryslot said.

Nice that your able to go measure easily.

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