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Just now, USCAPEWEATHERAF said:

Jerry, 04-05 winter was the snowiest in my town's history, 98.6" of snow.  35" from the Blizzard of 05 and then 18" from the Boxing Day Snowstorm of 2004.

It was a great winter for sure.  The January 2005 blizzard as well as multiple 6-12 events afterwards made it special.  I think BOS got 86 inches that winter.

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12 minutes ago, weathafella said:

I actually prefer the ground not be frozen.  Then a long snow cover can protect the soil underneath making for a possibly lush spring although I’m not sure it matters.

Different reasons for frozen ground up this way, A third of the trail system here for riding purposes requires riding over some wetland areas so frozen is a requirement for access.

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1 minute ago, weathafella said:

It was a great winter for sure.  The January 2005 blizzard as well as multiple 6-12 events afterwards made it special.  I think BOS got 86 inches that winter.

Jan 2005 Blizzard is in my top 3 favorites.

30" in Cambridge/Somerville area.

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2 minutes ago, JBinStoughton said:

Yes. These backloaded winters are better than torching but not nearly as satisfying as early season snow that sticks around a while. 

Lol....the December 2003 dump was gone by the holidays.  Then cold and dry ruled although we managed to keep snow otg from dinklesh*t events.  No thanks.

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1 minute ago, weathafella said:

Lol....the December 2003 dump was gone by the holidays.  Then cold and dry ruled although we managed to keep snow otg from dinklesh*t events.  No thanks.

Well, ok.  It doesn’t always work out lol.  But if we have to wait till Feb 20 to start seeing winter, we’re probably in trouble  :whistle:

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Just now, JBinStoughton said:

Well, ok.  It doesn’t always work out lol.  But if we have to wait till Feb 20 to start seeing winter, we’re probably in trouble  :whistle:

Agree!  Doubt that happens.  One year I remember for what you described is 1959-60.  Dud winter with an epic blizzard in the early days of March and snow cover most of the month.

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13 minutes ago, weathafella said:

It was a great winter for sure.  The January 2005 blizzard as well as multiple 6-12 events afterwards made it special.  I think BOS got 86 inches that winter.

They measured rather low in Jan 2005. That should be a 90+ winter at least.

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15 minutes ago, weathafella said:

It was a great winter for sure.  The January 2005 blizzard as well as multiple 6-12 events afterwards made it special.  I think BOS got 86 inches that winter.

I never saw such a violent winter storm in my lifetime, 29 years.  35" in 24 hours, Sagamore, Salem, Plymouth all saw 38" of snow, and in the winter weather statements the Blizzard warnings they mentioned that places such as Essex, Norfolk, Plymouth and Barnstable counties were the most vulnerable to getting as much as 40" of snow, an amazing storm.
 

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Just now, USCAPEWEATHERAF said:

I never saw such a violent winter storm in my lifetime, 29 years.  35" in 24 hours, Sagamore, Salem, Plymouth all saw 38" of snow, and in the winter weather statements the Blizzard warnings they mentioned that places such as Essex, Norfolk, Plymouth and Barnstable counties were the most vulnerable to getting as much as 40" of snow, an amazing storm.
 

You should have been here then (eastern).  Messenger (RIP) was giving play by play from the cape.

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Just now, weathafella said:

You should have been here then (eastern).  Messenger (RIP) was giving play by play from the cape.

Damn I wish I was to be honest considering how amazing the year of 2005 was weather-wise.

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8 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

They measured rather low in Jan 2005. That should be a 90+ winter at least.

Yeah they were 6+ low for the blizzard for sure.

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3 minutes ago, weathafella said:

You should have been here then (eastern).  Messenger (RIP) was giving play by play from the cape.

Why wasn't eastern as successful as this forum?

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Just now, USCAPEWEATHERAF said:

Why wasn't eastern as successful as this forum?

It was.  But the owner decided to end it in November 2010.  So amwx was quickly formed.

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4 hours ago, CoastalWx said:

LOL Tippy et al. I think 02-03 likely would be different if a similar look happened. And 09-10 was crazy. A minor tweak and it’s 68-69. That’s just how it goes sometimes. 

That late Feb mess in 2010, the most unpleasant 10" snowfall I ever hope to see, was 5° from a repeat of what had happened 41 years earlier on the exact same dates.  Though 05-06 and 15-16 were worse by the numbers, 09-10 was by far the most frustrating.  After the three total whiffs on major KUs,  that slopfest while points south and west were getting buried was like being taunted by the wx.  :weenie::weenie::weenie:

L
OL out of many similar setups that have been good for you all. You and Tamarack need to hold each other and talk out your fears with a Will as a therapist.

:lol::lol:  Any PTSD up here has been fostered by all the SNE glee at how wonderful 02-03 was


That and 1960-61 were the two greatest winters of a very snowy 60s decade.  I would take 1966-67 based on longevity- it was amazing!  I also like the contrast of a very hot/dry 1966 summer followed by that kind of snowy and cold winter lol.  

We had over 100" in 60-61, and IMO that winter was tops in by NNJ days.  66-67 had more snowstorms, the thundersnow, the late March record cold, but no events greater than 15" and none that produced lasting snow cover.  60-61 had storms of 18", 20", and 24" (that last a conservative guess on NYC's windiest Feb day), extended pack-holding cold, the tallest pack in NJ since reliable records began (it's not even close), plus a 12" pastey surprise in late March.  It's the difference between A+ and A++.

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On 11/6/2018 at 11:00 AM, tamarack said:

That late Feb mess in 2010, the most unpleasant 10" snowfall I ever hope to see, was 5° from a repeat of what had happened 41 years earlier on the exact same dates.  Though 05-06 and 15-16 were worse by the numbers, 09-10 was by far the most frustrating.  After the three total whiffs on major KUs,  that slopfest while points south and west were getting buried was like being taunted by the wx.  :weenie::weenie::weenie:

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OL out of many similar setups that have been good for you all. You and Tamarack need to hold each other and talk out your fears with a Will as a therapist.

:lol::lol:  Any PTSD up here has been fostered by all the SNE glee at how wonderful 02-03 was


That and 1960-61 were the two greatest winters of a very snowy 60s decade.  I would take 1966-67 based on longevity- it was amazing!  I also like the contrast of a very hot/dry 1966 summer followed by that kind of snowy and cold winter lol.  

We had over 100" in 60-61, and IMO that winter was tops in by NNJ days.  66-67 had more snowstorms, the thundersnow, the late March record cold, but no events greater than 15" and none that produced lasting snow cover.  60-61 had storms of 18", 20", and 24" (that last a conservative guess on NYC's windiest Feb day), extended pack-holding cold, the tallest pack in NJ since reliable records began (it's not even close), plus a 12" pastey surprise in late March.  It's the difference between A+ and A++.

That's incredible for NNJ. What town was that in? I have seen pics of the drought here in 65-67ish timeframe. I know the local coop nearby only had 27" and change for precip in '67.

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7 hours ago, CoastalWx said:

That's incredible for NNJ. What town was that in? I have seen pics of the drought here in 65-67ish timeframe. I know the local coop nearby only had 27" and change for precip in '67.

I can vouch for the 1960-61 numbers.   Deep cover for 2 months straight.  We started with the 12/11-12/1960 blizzard. The JFK inaugural storm and the 2/3-4/61 mega dump bookended a stretch that is only surpassed in my lifetime by the 1/22/15-2/20/15 stretch in the Boston area.

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1 hour ago, Go Kart Mozart said:

The peer reviewers are ready.

I think I'm going to dish it out to my local town media, as well...my only concern is that the public has the attention span of a weenie with his wife during a blizzard. I don't feel like doing two separate editions for public and weenie consumption. I like to start from the ground up as a refresher and explain everything.

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9 hours ago, CoastalWx said:

That's incredible for NNJ. What town was that in? I have seen pics of the drought here in 65-67ish timeframe. I know the local coop nearby only had 27" and change for precip in '67.

We lived in the Jersey Highlands in the town of Kinnelon (named for Albert Kinney, whose Sweet Caporal cigarettes made him a fortune during the latter decades of the 19th century.)  Our place was at about 700' elevation, at Lat. 40.9766, Lon. 74.3702.  Below are the logs of 60-61 and 66-67 for our home (based on memory) and for Oak Ridge Reservoir (co-op records), about 9 miles west and 150' higher elev.

1960-61         Home      Oak Ridge                
12/11-12         18.0         14.0          Temps low-mid teens, nice for NJ deer season opener.  Giants-'Skins in DC trying to play on 8" powder. briefly lost fumble in snow piles.
12/17               2.0           2.0
12/20-21          2.0           3.0
12/29-30          3.0           4.0
1/1                  0.0           1.0
1/16-17            6.0           5.0         0.3" ZR Sunday afternoon, 6" on top that night.  Very surprised that school wasn't closed Monday.  They knew something?
1/19-20          20.0          24.0         The JFK inaugural storm.  1st time I saw accumulating snow at temps below 10°.
1/24                 1.0           2.0 
1/27                4.0            0.0         Fringed by major storm to east.  I think co-op missed reporting, as sites all around all had 2-4".
2/3-4              24.0          27.0        My 2' may be conservative, given 50 mph gusts.  Co-op reported 50" pack on 2/5 and site 10 mi. NW 52", probably near 45" at home.  NYC sub-32 1/19-2/3.
2/13                 1.0           0.0
2/16                1.0            2.0
3/1-2               1.5            1.5
3/9                  1.0            1.5
3/14                1.0            1.0
3/23                6.0           12.0      Surprised by paste bomb, most fell 8A-noon, had to walk the 5 miles from school.   Co-op probably didn't measure until its 7A obs time on 3/24, #settle/melt.
 4/1                 1.0            1.0
4/10                2.0            2.0
4/13-14           4.0            4.0      SN+ to rain overnight.
Total             104.5        101.0     With the apparent missed obs on 1/27, co-op would be about the same.

1966-67
12/14              7.0            7.0      Fluffy and moist, great for snowmen
12/21              7.0            6.0
12/24-25        15.0           13.0     Thundersnow, during SN+ mid-aft 24th.
12/29              2.0             1.0
1/6                  1.0            1.0
1/28-29           1.0            2.5
2/3                  1.0            1.5
2/6                  4.0            3.5     SN+ 5-9A with plunging temps.  Then 16-18 hours until the big dog.
2/7                 15.0          11.0     Snow at 6°, would not pack under dad's 4000 lb Pontiac "boat", so we couldn't push it up the hill from driveway.  Probably tallest pack of winter @ 18" +/-
2/10                1.0            1.0
2/18                1.5            1.0
2/21-22           3.0            4.0
2/23-24           5.0            5.5
2/28                1.5            0.5
3/5                  3.0            3.0
3/6-7               5.0            5.0     SN to ZR, 0.2"-0.3" accretion (rained too hard to accrete.)  Big snow BOS.
3/15-16           7.0            8.0     Any memory of this storm was obscured by the next 2 plus record cold.
3/17                6.0            4.5     1-3" clipper grew muscles.  Temp fell from 13 to 8 during 5 hours when most snow fell.   Barely got to 10° on 3/18, low of -3 (NYC 8) on 19th.
3/23               10.0           9.5     Started just after midnight, snowed thru the day.  Even NYC got 9.8".
4/24                1.5            2.0     Back end of cold coastal.
4/27                3.0            0.0     I think the co-op missed this one, too, as it fell 2-7A and other nearby sites had 1-3".
Total              100.5        90.5     I may have been too generous on the Christmas Eve and Feb. 7 storms, both windblown powder.
 

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34 minutes ago, tamarack said:

We lived in the Jersey Highlands in the town of Kinnelon (named for Albert Kinney, whose Sweet Caporal cigarettes made him a fortune during the latter decades of the 19th century.)  Our place was at about 700' elevation, at Lat. 40.9766, Lon. 74.3702.  Below are the logs of 60-61 and 66-67 for our home (based on memory) and for Oak Ridge Reservoir (co-op records), about 9 miles west and 150' higher elev.

1960-61         Home      Oak Ridge                
12/11-12         18.0         14.0          Temps low-mid teens, nice for NJ deer season opener.  Giants-'Skins in DC trying to play on 8" powder. briefly lost fumble in snow piles.
12/17               2.0           2.0
12/20-21          2.0           3.0
12/29-30          3.0           4.0
1/1                  0.0           1.0
1/16-17            6.0           5.0         0.3" ZR Sunday afternoon, 6" on top that night.  Very surprised that school wasn't closed Monday.  They knew something?
1/19-20          20.0          24.0         The JFK inaugural storm.  1st time I saw accumulating snow at temps below 10°.
1/24                 1.0           2.0 
1/27                4.0            0.0         Fringed by major storm to east.  I think co-op missed reporting, as sites all around all had 2-4".
2/3-4              24.0          27.0        My 2' may be conservative, given 50 mph gusts.  Co-op reported 50" pack on 2/5 and site 10 mi. NW 52", probably near 45" at home.  NYC sub-32 1/19-2/3.
2/13                 1.0           0.0
2/16                1.0            2.0
3/1-2               1.5            1.5
3/9                  1.0            1.5
3/14                1.0            1.0
3/23                6.0           12.0      Surprised by paste bomb, most fell 8A-noon, had to walk the 5 miles from school.   Co-op probably didn't measure until its 7A obs time on 3/24, #settle/melt.
 4/1                 1.0            1.0
4/10                2.0            2.0
4/13-14           4.0            4.0      SN+ to rain overnight.
Total             104.5        101.0     With the apparent missed obs on 1/27, co-op would be about the same.

1966-67
12/14              7.0            7.0      Fluffy and moist, great for snowmen
12/21              7.0            6.0
12/24-25        15.0           13.0     Thundersnow, during SN+ mid-aft 24th.
12/29              2.0             1.0
1/6                  1.0            1.0
1/28-29           1.0            2.5
2/3                  1.0            1.5
2/6                  4.0            3.5     SN+ 5-9A with plunging temps.  Then 16-18 hours until the big dog.
2/7                 15.0          11.0     Snow at 6°, would not pack under dad's 4000 lb Pontiac "boat", so we couldn't push it up the hill from driveway.  Probably tallest pack of winter @ 18" +/-
2/10                1.0            1.0
2/18                1.5            1.0
2/21-22           3.0            4.0
2/23-24           5.0            5.5
2/28                1.5            0.5
3/5                  3.0            3.0
3/6-7               5.0            5.0     SN to ZR, 0.2"-0.3" accretion (rained too hard to accrete.)  Big snow BOS.
3/15-16           7.0            8.0     Any memory of this storm was obscured by the next 2 plus record cold.
3/17                6.0            4.5     1-3" clipper grew muscles.  Temp fell from 13 to 8 during 5 hours when most snow fell.   Barely got to 10° on 3/18, low of -3 (NYC 8) on 19th.
3/23               10.0           9.5     Started just after midnight, snowed thru the day.  Even NYC got 9.8".
4/24                1.5            2.0     Back end of cold coastal.
4/27                3.0            0.0     I think the co-op missed this one, too, as it fell 2-7A and other nearby sites had 1-3".
Total              100.5        90.5     I may have been too generous on the Christmas Eve and Feb. 7 storms, both windblown powder.
 

What did nyc get that year?

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On 11/6/2018 at 10:24 AM, weathafella said:

Lol....the December 2003 dump was gone by the holidays.  Then cold and dry ruled although we managed to keep snow otg from dinklesh*t events.  No thanks.

Yea, all set with 2003-04....and 2013-14 for that matter. That season reminds me of 93-94 in that its overrated for this area.

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