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Tropical Storm Jose


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2 minutes ago, Paragon said:

Chris and Don, if this strong blocking persists it may have implications for the winter forecast, I remember we talked about the October blocking-to-winter connection awhile back.

 

In the past, there have been a number of cases where the development of strong blocking in early autumn was an indicator of a blocky winter. However, the AO cannot be forecast with reliability at seasonal timescales. Early promise from such approaches linked to the advance of Eurasian snow cover has not worked out. Had one relied on Eurasian snow cover, recent winters should have featured a lot of blocking. In fact, the AO+ dominated. 

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36 minutes ago, Sportybx said:

Are we looking like a Sandy event for the NYC area if the track moves more towards the west ? 

No. I think the primary distinction will be that Jose will look and act more tropical than Sandy did when she made it into the subtropics. Intensity, and track will be quite different as well. That much is already clear.

In addition, Sandy was a much more complex system. The baroclinic factor that was critical to Sandy's evolution is quite limited with Jose.

 

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The 500 mb pattern is forecast to evolve toward a pattern that is similar to the one that was in place when Hurricane Esther was moving north-northeastward along the Middle Atlantic Coast in 1961. Eventually, that major hurricane made an anti-cyclonic loop after passing east of Montauk Point before finally making landfall in Massachusetts as a tropical storm.

The exact details will make a large difference where Jose ultimately tracks. Historic climatology still gives Jose a 1-in-4 probability of U.S. landfall. The ensembles suggest a somewhat higher risk, as does the developing blocking.

According to the historic climatology for tropical cyclones passing within 100 nautical miles of Jose's 11 am position, the region from North Carolina to New England would be at the highest risk of U.S. landfall. Among the storms in that data set were the 1893 Midnight Hurricane (New York landfall), the Great Atlantic Hurricane of 1944 (North Carolina landfall and then north and eastward), and Hurricane Esther.

Given the continuing uncertainty associated with Jose's track, a track 100 miles on either side of Esther's track prior to its loop is a plausible scenario. It appears that the risk of impacts, including the possibility of tropical storm conditions, has increased for North Carolina's Outer Banks and then Suffolk County into eastern New England.

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Around 72hrs, the GFS starts moving on a NW heading towards the coast. It's East of the 00z run, but in line with the 06z run thus far.

As you can see, the initial trough is gone

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The ridge builds to the North and Jose has no choice but to follow the Easterly flow on the Southern periphery of the ridge.

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We lost the Quebec shortwave kicker this run. As i stated previously, this run seems more realistic.

This would have ended up west of 6z, and similar to 0z if the recurve north didn't happen more aburptly through 36 hr.

We should be able to narrow the cone substaintially by this time tomorrow, as the recurve north will have already started. 

 

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1 minute ago, jbenedet said:

We lost the Quebec shortwave kicker this run. As i stated previously, this run seems more realistic.

This would have ended up west of 6z, and similar to 0z if the recurve north didn't happen more aburptly through 36 hr.

 

it's a real shame for hurricane enthusiasts. This setup is gold for NE landfalls yet sensitive to small changes (typical of NE hurricanes). However I would continue to monitor the short term motion.

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2 minutes ago, Vice-Regent said:

it's a real shame for hurricane enthusiasts. This setup is gold for NE landfalls yet sensitive to small changes (typical of NE hurricanes). However I would continue to monitor the short term motion.

Yea. This remains a close call for eastern LI and SE New England because we are lacking longitude right out of the gate.

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3 minutes ago, jbenedet said:

Yea. This remains a close call for eastern LI and SE New England because we are lacking longitude right out of the gate.

Maria (M Storm) will probably deliver for the EC if she forms but that is a story for another day. Perhaps not NJ or New England but somebody from Miami to ME.

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OT, but if you look @ the Ukie at 144 hours you see a TS developing in the W Atlantic.....Also, as posted in the other hurricane thread, the 12z GFS shows a major TS hitting the SE Coast during 200-252 hours. 

 

As for Jose, question, when is the last time besides Sandy that a tropical system has made landfall North of the Mid-Atantic? 

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1 hour ago, Vice-Regent said:

Either way it stays over warm water the end result is the same verbatim. Just more Sandy-esque rather than something more novel.

Stop with the Sandy comparisons.  In no way, shape or form is Jose going to be anywhere near the monster that Sandy was, with the lowest barometric pressure of a landfalling hurricane (yes, it should've never been declassified as extratropical right before landfall, if only for emergency response reasons) at 940 mbar.  Even the roided up GFS today only has Jose between 950-960 mbar as it reaches 40N near NJ/NY, while last night's Euro was more like 970 mbar.  Sandy also had the 2nd highest integrated kinetic energy at landfall of any landfalling hurricane in the satellite era in the Atlantic.  Sure the max winds weren't Andrew's 160 mph+, but Sandy was much larger and its overall storm energy was much greater than Andrew's, which is why Andrew had a catastrophic impact on only a small area, while Sandy had major to catastrophic impacts (especially storm surge) over a much, much larger area.  Jose is no Sandy - the only thing that could look similar is the track (but not the impact) if Jose makes a NW move into NJ/NYC, which his not anticipated.  

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