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Model Mayhem VI


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I've always wondered at what point there is enough chaos in the atmosphere so that it isn't just that models can't get it right, but it is that the future outcome hasn't even been determined yet.

I never believed a butterfly's flapping wings did anything. But what about a plane? North Korean missile launch? A forest fire?

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36 minutes ago, J Paul Gordon said:

Wife said I look like our pug yesterday. Thought it was a cute remark.

Is this you?:

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26 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

We don't get real snowstorms so we need to live vicariously through model runs.

Everyone hates when I start posting :devilsmiley:.  Like hates it, lol.

You guys already know how this plays out so I'm not sure why you even look at the models ;).

You recently had one of my favorite recent meltdowns:

 

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powderfreak replied to Typhoon Tip's topic in New England

True but we know how these play out already...not even worth the bandwidth of the maps. Gradient around Dendrite to Hippy. Crushing blow BOS to TOL. Rinse and repeat for the next decade ;).

 

The guy who had 90" at the stake a few weeks ago not only declared this winter dead but the next 10 winters!

 

I must say I like how this is playing out.  Best case scenario I get a season's best dumping.  Worst case scenario my driveway doesn't end up a mess.

 

In case people missed yesterday post referenced the page before see below.  I would add it to my signature but it is already long enough.:

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  On 3/9/2017 at 11:37 AM, ORH_wxman said:
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Def not DXR...we know the drill. The Euro will have a run or two where it totally goes nuclear and jackpots like W CT up to ALB and everyone back east will panic about another boxing day while powderfreak's post count triples...then it will come back east...Tauntonblizzard will say it looks like garbage the entire time citing the worst model of each suite while ignoring the good runs....Ray will keep talking about how the best banding will be just SE of him and just NW him while he sucks on exhaust, and then complains his way to 17"...moneypitmike will keep pretending he won't get more than a few inches even though every model gives an inch of QPF out to W MA...Jerry will pretend he never posted he was ready for winter to end at the end of February when it was 70F and talk about how this reminds him of March 1956....while tamarack mentions 1956 in NNJ and then makes a reference to a storm that overperformed in March 1984 while he was in Fort Kent, ME.

 

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6 minutes ago, klw said:

Is this you?:

MrPuglseysTreatsFinalLG.jpg

You recently had one of my favorite recent meltdowns:

 

The guy who had 90" at the stake a few weeks ago not only declared this winter dead but the next 10 winters!

 

I must say I like how this is playing out.  Best case scenario I get a season's best dumping.  Worst case scenario my driveway doesn't end up a mess.

 

In case people missed yesterday post referenced the page before see below.  I would add it to my signature but it is already long enough.:

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Def not DXR...we know the drill. The Euro will have a run or two where it totally goes nuclear and jackpots like W CT up to ALB and everyone back east will panic about another boxing day while powderfreak's post count triples...then it will come back east...Tauntonblizzard will say it looks like garbage the entire time citing the worst model of each suite while ignoring the good runs....Ray will keep talking about how the best banding will be just SE of him and just NW him while he sucks on exhaust, and then complains his way to 17"...moneypitmike will keep pretending he won't get more than a few inches even though every model gives an inch of QPF out to W MA...Jerry will pretend he never posted he was ready for winter to end at the end of February when it was 70F and talk about how this reminds him of March 1956....while tamarack mentions 1956 in NNJ and then makes a reference to a storm that overperformed in March 1984 while he was in Fort Kent, ME.

Wait.... I thought it was illegal to make a profit on someone's picture without their permission!

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16 minutes ago, JC-CT said:

I've always wondered at what point there is enough chaos in the atmosphere so that it isn't just that models can't get it right, but it is that the future outcome hasn't even been determined yet.

I never believed a butterfly's flapping wings did anything. But what about a plane? North Korean missile launch? A forest fire?

You're conflating two very distinct things.

The "butterfly effect" relates to the sensitivities of certain nonlinear dynamical systems to very small perturbations in their subsequent evolution. The degree to which the solutions of any given dynamical system are sensitive to small perturbations, is largely what chaos theory is about. I'm thinking your comment about there being chaos in the atmosphere most likely fits with the idea that the current solutions are really sensitive to small perturbations. It's purely a deterministic thing, though.

"Future outcomes [not] determined yet" goes back to the basic question of whether God does indeed play dice with the universe, and would seem to be independent of the amount of "chaos" present. Either he does or he doesn't. Current answer unknown, at least by me.

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4 minutes ago, SeanInWayland said:

You're conflating two very distinct things.

The "butterfly effect" relates to the sensitivities of certain nonlinear dynamical systems to very small perturbations in their subsequent evolution. The degree to which the solutions of any given dynamical system are sensitive to small perturbations, is largely what chaos theory is about. I'm thinking your comment about there being chaos in the atmosphere most likely fits with the idea that the current solutions are really sensitive to small perturbations.

"Future outcomes [not] determined yet" goes back to the basic question of whether God does indeed play dice with the universe, and would seem to be independent of the amount of "chaos" present. Either he does or he doesn't. Current answer unknown, at least by me.

It had absolutely nothing to do with religion. It was about whether me going outside and flapping my arms to the east will help.

Also, it was a joke.

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4 minutes ago, SeanInWayland said:

You're conflating two very distinct things.

The "butterfly effect" relates to the sensitivities of certain nonlinear dynamical systems to very small perturbations in their subsequent evolution. The degree to which the solutions of any given dynamical system are sensitive to small perturbations, is largely what chaos theory is about. I'm thinking your comment about there being chaos in the atmosphere most likely fits with the idea that the current solutions are really sensitive to small perturbations. It's purely a deterministic thing, though.

"Future outcomes [not] determined yet" goes back to the basic question of whether God does indeed play dice with the universe, and would seem to be independent of the amount of "chaos" present. Either he does or he doesn't. Current answer unknown, at least by me.

Have a beer. It's Friday.

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