Stormchaserchuck1 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 I'd be surprised if we were at record low levels, the warm season so far has been very +NAO/+AO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookingnorth Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Maybe Charctic is incorrect, but this is what that source shows: https://imgur.com/sSjMIiT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 Early split picture showing up in the data. It was a warmer than average May across the Arctic. But not as warm as 2020 was which lead to all the preconditioning that year. June was the coolest in the Arctic over the last decade. Yet the extent is currently in 1st place for lowest in early July. But the area is only 8th lowest. Area and melt pond fraction are more important this time of year than extent in trying to guess a September low. Unfortunately, the May melt pond data still hasn’t been released. This is what the statistical model uses to forecast a June September low. If I had to take an early guess, the higher area now than extent could mean that the extent will fall behind the steep 2012 drop which happened back in early August 2012. So it’s possible that the 2012 record low will hold for another year. But I want to see the May melt pond fraction first before making a final call. I will update this if the ARCUS SPIN site gets around to posting the model forecasts for September. They have been delayed in their update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roardog Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 We really need an almost perfect setup to beat that 2012 record. The cool June and continued strong +AO and cool isn't going to cut it regardless of the May melt pond data IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted July 20 Author Share Posted July 20 On 7/4/2025 at 1:09 PM, roardog said: We really need an almost perfect setup to beat that 2012 record. The cool June and continued strong +AO and cool isn't going to cut it regardless of the May melt pond data IMO. I’ve been super busy this summer so forgot to issue a forecast but I’ll run the numbers later this week retroactive to July 1st to see what it would’ve been but just glancing at it, we wouldn’t have predicted a new record low min. Right now, area is running 8th lowest. Forecast looks pretty favorable for good melt in the coming week so a top 5 melt season is still on the table. We’d need to set a new record for loss from this date though to finish lower than 2012. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 Is this right from the university of Maine? looks like we’re presently a tick below 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chubbs Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 8 hours ago, Typhoon Tip said: Is this right from the university of Maine? looks like we’re presently a tick below 2012 Looks good. 2012 pulled away for good in early August, when a unusually strong storm broke up the weakened ice pack and promoted mixing of warmer water from below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago On 7/4/2025 at 12:46 PM, bluewave said: Early split picture showing up in the data. It was a warmer than average May across the Arctic. But not as warm as 2020 was which lead to all the preconditioning that year. June was the coolest in the Arctic over the last decade. Yet the extent is currently in 1st place for lowest in early July. But the area is only 8th lowest. Area and melt pond fraction are more important this time of year than extent in trying to guess a September low. Unfortunately, the May melt pond data still hasn’t been released. This is what the statistical model uses to forecast a June September low. If I had to take an early guess, the higher area now than extent could mean that the extent will fall behind the steep 2012 drop which happened back in early August 2012. So it’s possible that the 2012 record low will hold for another year. But I want to see the May melt pond fraction first before making a final call. I will update this if the ARCUS SPIN site gets around to posting the model forecasts for September. They have been delayed in their update. Right on cue the pace of Arctic sea ice loss has slowed behind the 2012 record drop experienced in early August 2012. That was at the end of an historic Arctic Dipole pattern from 2007-2012 leading to all the records over that 6 year period. This season so far has continued the much weaker Arctic Dipole pattern since 2013. So this changed summer Arctic circulation pattern since then has resulted in no sea ice trend since those steep declines. But the Arctic has seen increasing warmth over this period. So even with these more favorable conditions for Arctic sea ice retention, the sea ice thickness and extent has not returned to the pre 2007 state. Most Septembers finish between 4-5 million sq km over this period well below the major Arctic shift in 2007. I mentioned the melt pond data from early in the season which is one of the early indicators to look at. But this was the first year it hasn’t been published online. It probably would have shown something near the middle of the pack based on the lack of strong warmth this May. This was the opposite of the strong preconditioning in 2012 and 2020. 2012 was a perfect storm of a strong Arctic Dipole pattern following significant May preconditioning and the record Arctic cyclone in early August. These three features have not occurred in tandem since then. Special thanks to Gerontocrat from preparing the current extent which is in 6th place behind 2012. https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2024GL114546 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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