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Feb 15-16 Possible Mixed Event.


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What is it that keeps throwing models off, that they cannot come into agreement with what's going to happen, this close to the event? I can't figure out what's has the models so puzzled

 

Hopefully someone corrects me if I am wrong, but multiple pieces of northern stream energy being modeled with a weak southern stream energy.   I am sure I will get killed for this but Euro has never been great with northern stream energy, NAM just did a bang up job with todays, so.....   Lot of moving parts.

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What is it that keeps throwing models off, that they cannot come into agreement with what's going to happen, this close to the event? I can't figure out what's has the models so puzzled

My thought here is that the movement of larger ridges / troughs are much easier for the models to handle.  Small waves in fast moving northern stream flow are much more difficult for the models to produce consistent results.

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Hopefully someone corrects me if I am wrong, but multiple pieces of northern stream energy being modeled with a weak southern stream energy.   I am sure I will get killed for this but Euro has never been great with northern stream energy, NAM just did a bang up job with todays, so.....   Lot of moving parts.

Yep, this is right in the GFS's wheelhouse really....of course, it is varying wildly too

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Yep, this is right in the GFS's wheelhouse really

 

I don't know what to think, I usually try and hug the worst/least wintery solution, it usually verifies, ie Euro/EPS.  But, when looking at the multiple pieces of northern stream energy and the weak southern piece and taken into account all the global bias's, hmmmm.

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Hopefully someone corrects me if I am wrong, but multiple pieces of northern stream energy being modeled with a weak southern stream energy. I am sure I will get killed for this but Euro has never been great with northern stream energy, NAM just did a bang up job with todays, so..... Lot of moving parts.

I agree about the NAM as I said last night the last storm it did well here for my area. It has been consistent last few runs. I would not be afraid to go with its solution for Monday, just not sure if it could be used without a blend of possibly the GFS or CMC.

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I don't know what to think, I usually try and hug the worst/least wintery solution, it usually verifies, ie Euro/EPS.  But, when looking at the multiple pieces of northern stream energy and the weak southern piece and taken into account all the global bias's, hmmmm.

Hard to get a read on temperatures too.  Just considering the Euro, a few days ago it was showing a high temp of 21 in CLT for Sunday.  Today's run has it up to 34.  The airmass is still cold and dry, but it's not as stout as it was showing before - we see that moderation a lot.  On the flip side, models can underdo temps if precip gets in and damming is established.

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go on... Do we get a snow bomb or rain bomb?

This is all I'm gonna share, he may put it out to public later? Don't want to make him mad. lol

 

 

That would open the door for dynamic Thundersnow in eastern TN, sw VA and western NC I think, possibly even northern GA if the really wrapped up European were to occur. Temps are borderline aloft at the height of the dynamics of the storm in and around the Southern Appalachians and I won't rule out thundersnow, thundersleet to the northwest of the low track.

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This is all I'm gonna share, he may put it out to public later? Don't want to make him mad. lol

That would open the door for dynamic Thundersnow in eastern TN, sw VA and western NC I think, possibly even northern GA if the really wrapped up European were to occur. Temps are borderline aloft at the height of the dynamics of the storm in and around the Southern Appalachians and I won't rule out thundersnow, thundersleet to the northwest of the low track.

Very interesting, especially basing that off the Euro??

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This is all I'm gonna share, he may put it out to public later? Don't want to make him mad. lol

 

 

That would open the door for dynamic Thundersnow in eastern TN, sw VA and western NC I think, possibly even northern GA if the really wrapped up European were to occur. [/size]Temps are borderline aloft at the height of the dynamics of the storm in and around the Southern Appalachians and I won't rule out [/size]thundersnow, thundersleet to the northwest of the low track.[/size]

That would suggest the northern track...west of the apps. Right?

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That would suggest the northern track...west of the apps. Right?

I think the more southern track, Jason on WLOS just on channel 13 said the low was going over the mtns. which would change the snow to freezing rain but as the storm passes it will go back to snow, I don't see the L pressure coming up into the wedge of very cold air.  I think it will stay south going thru the middle of Ga. and SC. off the NC coast.  Still maybe a I-20 to I-95 special.

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Just looking at my local point and click forecast for the triad i see a steady 30 degree high and 30 degree low all of Monday. That would surely seem to indicate a deeply entrenched CAD situation that wont erode until the LP has passed. Someone posted some CAD maps earlier in the thread that looked pretty stout as well. I'll cross my fingers on this one but cant help but think this is looking suspiciously more like a zr event for much of Monday afternoon across central NC. Especially if the Doc is to be believed.

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This is all I'm gonna share, he may put it out to public later? Don't want to make him mad. lol

 

 

That would open the door for dynamic Thundersnow in eastern TN, sw VA and western NC I think, possibly even northern GA if the really wrapped up European were to occur. Temps are borderline aloft at the height of the dynamics of the storm in and around the Southern Appalachians and I won't rule out thundersnow, thundersleet to the northwest of the low track.

I'm kind of at a loss at this write up from Robert.  This type of solution seems to be based off the Euro which is a torch as it gets wound up.  Also, his FB thoughts from yesterday favored the flatter wave scenario (the non-Euro scenario) which is kind of gaining some traction.  Having said all that, it's his forecast thoughts, and they could be correct in the end.

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Hard to get a read on temperatures too.  Just considering the Euro, a few days ago it was showing a high temp of 21 in CLT for Sunday.  Today's run has it up to 34.  The airmass is still cold and dry, but it's not as stout as it was showing before - we see that moderation a lot.  On the flip side, models can underdo temps if precip gets in and damming is established.

Was looking at that too, but Monday early morning temps are in mid-20's with single digit DP's...yikes. If the finger of overrunning shifts south then it could get ugly but models right now have it focused more NW. So we shall see just how much precip we have before early Monday evening, CLT looks to wedge a little better and more QPF.

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I'm kind of at a loss at this write up from Robert.  This type of solution seems to be based off the Euro which is a torch as it gets wound up.  Also, his FB thoughts from yesterday favored the flatter wave scenario (the non-Euro scenario) which is kind of gaining some traction.  Having said all that, it's his forecast thoughts, and they could be correct in the end.

he said he felt both the NAM and GGEM were too cold on temps.....surprised me as well, based on following him during CAD events for years

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Was looking at that too, but Monday early morning temps are in mid-20's with single digit DP's...yikes. If the finger of overrunning shifts south then it could get ugly but models right now have it focused more NW. So we shall see just how much precip we have before early Monday evening, CLT looks to wedge a little better and more QPF.

And as long as precip is fallen I don't see how temps at surface can rise with the precip locking in and insitu-Cad

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Just looking at my local point and click forecast for the triad i see a steady 30 degree high and 30 degree low all of Monday. That would surely seem to indicate a deeply entrenched CAD situation that wont erode until the LP has passed. Someone posted some CAD maps earlier in the thread that looked pretty stout as well. I'll cross my fingers on this one but cant help but think this is looking suspiciously more like a zr event for much of Monday afternoon across central NC. Especially if the Doc is to be believed.

 

It's really hard to unlock in-situ CAD where we're at.  If we start out with temperatures in the low 20s, I wouldn't be surprised if we don't get above freezing until it's over.  The NW Piedmont is often one of the last places to go above freezing, even slower to do so than many of the foothills regions along the escarpment.

 

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The good thing is that with surface temperatures in the 20s and 925 mb temps cold, at least initially, we might be looking at more sleet, as things currently stand, IMO (we'll see, of course).

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