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Upton just issued their afternoon Zones Forecast - they are still mentioning "moderate snow accumulation possible"

http://kamala.cod.edu/nj/latest.fpus51.KOKX.html

 

here is the AFD - try to fiqure this out - would like to know what their definition of moderate accumulation is for 2 cycles total 2 moderates IMO = heavy total.

 

http://kamala.cod.edu/nj/latest.fxus61.KOKX.html

Heavy snow for a 12-hour period is defined by the NWS as 4" or more. So, one is probably talking about 1" to < 4" for each cycle.

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Heavy snow for a 12-hour period is defined by the NWS as 4" or more. So, one is probably talking about 1" to < 4" for each cycle.

IMO they shouldn't even be mentioning the word accumulation 4 days away...thats how the rumours spread and they get exagerated as they move from one person to another

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IMO they shouldn't even be mentioning the word accumulation 4 days away...thats how the rumours spread and they get exagerated as they move from one person to another

There may be interests (e.g., certain economic sectors) other than the general public for which some kind of advance general notice on accumulations is important. Tradeoffs are almost certainly involved.

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In defense of Upton, they realize that the next two weeks are the snowiest of the year around here...and things have a strange way of coming together properly with the main N. American storm track now passing just off to our south & east

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18Z GEFS delivers between 0.25 and 0.50 total precip for the Monday event - considering ratio's may be higher then 10 :1 this has the potential to be a high end advisory event or Winter Storm Warning event IMO. - Stay Tuned

http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=gfs-ens&region=us&pkg=apcpn24&runtime=2015012818&fh=6&xpos=0&ypos=462

Have to see if it gets stronger over the next few days .

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Anybody have the EURO ens?

The GFS ens I believe last run were further north but I could be wrong. Can someone confirm?

 

The mean is closer to the coast than the OP this run. Would be nice if we get a tick closer to coast the  next few days

while still on the colder track that the models converged on today. 

 

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18Z GEFS delivers between 0.25 and 0.50 total precip for the Monday event - considering ratio's may be higher then 10 :1 this has the potential to be a high end  advisory event or Winter Storm Warning event IMO. - Stay Tuned

 

http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=gfs-ens&region=us&pkg=apcpn24&runtime=2015012818&fh=6&xpos=0&ypos=462

Doesn't that suggest  "moderate snow accumulation possible" ?  Seems a reasonable thing to mention in an AFD given current forecasts.

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What I am liking about Mondays system is the GEFS has .25 to .50 . That looks pedestrian but NEG brought up a good point

The Euro 850 s are minus 18 Monday and the surface are in the teens on both the GFS and EURO

So those ratios work for me. 

http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gfs-ens/2015012818/gfs-ens_apcpn_us_25.png

 

 

plenty close to a bigger solution  ATM 

we need to stay diligent

until there is sampled energy---- as always

 

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/map/images/ens/prec_f120_usbg.gif

 

It's hard not to bite with this swath of moisture

 

take a look here---nice loop

with the big picture in mind

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/west/nepac/flash-wv.html

 

the methods for tracking -imho

should never be op run

endgame solutions

 

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/threats/hazards_d3_7_contours.png

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http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gfs-ens/2015012818/gfs-ens_apcpn_us_25.png

 

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plenty close to a bigger solution  ATM 

we need to stay diligent

until there is sampled energy---- as always

 

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/map/images/ens/prec_f120_usbg.gif

 

It's hard not to bite with this swath of moisture

 

take a look here---nice loop

with the big picture in mind

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/west/nepac/flash-wv.html

 

the methods for tracking -imho

should never be op run

endgame solutions

 

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/threats/hazards_d3_7_contours.png

This SW prob does not get grabbed better sampled until Friday . The Euro holds the SW up in the 4 corners but only ejects a piece out , however the one behind this one for later next week comes all out at once and that's the bigger one.

My buddy likes the Monday to the tune of 3 to 6. But thinks the one behind reminds him of 66 Big and really cold. But that's going be another thread.

Back to this one , its close and I like the ensembles seeing .25 to .50 w nice ratios

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This SW prob does not get grabbed better sampled until Friday . The Euro holds the SW up in the 4 corners but only ejects a piece out , however the one behind this one for later next week comes all out at once and that's the bigger one.

My buddy likes the Monday to the tune of 3 to 6. But thinks the one behind reminds him of 66 Big and really cold. But that's going be another thread.

Back to this one , its close and I like the ensembles seeing .25 to .50 w nice ratios

With the teleconnections, it's just a matter of time before we get a huge hit. Like I said, I honestly don't believe we have had our big hit yet.

On a side note, in addition to needing the s/w sampled, we also need to have the clipper resolved. The clipper will have a large impact on the PV and eventual outcome.

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With the teleconnections, it's just a matter of time before we get a huge hit. Like I said, I honestly don't believe we have had our big hit yet.

On a side note, in addition to needing the s/w sampled, we also need to have the clipper resolved. The clipper will have a large impact on the PV and eventual outcome.

Agreed. Looks like it wants to set a semi block for Monday . The GEM UKIE JMA and ( cough ) NAM are all amped.

But we need the GFS and EURO . As far as sampling I think this would prob get into the sat 12z suite.

Clipper 1st. 1 to 2 ?

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WPC

 

This is really interesting

 

 

ANT

 

listen ....everybody loves ya here

 

you cant just 

 crash the party all the time

go back a few pages and read up

we have covered this ground already .....

 

you will see snow with this system

trust me

 

dm

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